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Unread 04-28-2009, 10:38 AM   #16
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Good luck..keep us posted
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Unread 04-28-2009, 06:12 PM   #17
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Well, just like last time (although, different dealer..), they couldn't reproduce the problem and have adopted a "wait and see" approach. At least they blew out the drain lines...If this doesn't work, (duh??!!) they're going to have to completely rip out the headliner to track down the issue.

SO FRUSTRATING!!!!!

I still love my little Pat though....
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Unread 04-29-2009, 08:37 AM   #18
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Well, just like last time (although, different dealer..), they couldn't reproduce the problem and have adopted a "wait and see" approach. At least they blew out the drain lines...If this doesn't work, (duh??!!) they're going to have to completely rip out the headliner to track down the issue.

SO FRUSTRATING!!!!!

I still love my little Pat though....
It wasn't until they damaged my headliner by pulling it down and having to replace it that I think they finally got a good look at the whole picture.
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Unread 04-29-2009, 08:48 AM   #19
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Make sure you document everything and the dealer documents on thier papers too so if you have to file "lemon law" papers you have all the info.
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Unread 04-30-2009, 05:34 PM   #20
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We found our leak on the test drive. I notified them in advance that my wife wanted to test drive that particular Patriot. So they had the vehicle washed and looking good. After we began the test drive, water dripped in from the map light. I told them about it and they tended to the problem right away. There were loose mounting bolts which held the sunroof frame in place. The dealer tightened them and we didn't have any leaks from that area since. I hope this helps.
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Unread 04-30-2009, 06:34 PM   #21
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Possible causes of water coming threw the headliner and dome light(s) are:
Sunroof
Sunroof Drain Tubes
Windshield seal
Rear washer hose
Roof rails not sealed
Split seam in roof panels.

The drain tubes are an "after the fact" solution. There shouldn't be water coming threw the roof at all. I'm in the process of doing a full write up on what to look for, how to adjust and how to fix what you find. I hope to have it done this weekend.
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Unread 05-01-2009, 05:05 PM   #22
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Thanks Gramps-you rock!
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Unread 05-03-2009, 08:00 AM   #23
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I pulled this from the Engineering session, too.

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Have dealer check the sunroof module adjustment
There is more to come. Trying to do some pictures and debating posting on how to remove the headliner and "A", "B" and "C" pillars. If you're still under warranty you'll probably take it back to the dealer, if not, then it'll be useful info. This is a work in process and it's going to be a VERY long post(s).
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Unread 05-03-2009, 11:16 AM   #24
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WATER DRAINAGE
If you do a Google search on Sunroof Leaks you’ll find that this is not just a Patriot problem. I encountered all of the following links available; VW, Dodge Truck, Tundra, Pontiac, Porsche, Honda, Hummer, Toyota, Saturn, Ford, Hyundai, GMC, Volvo, Mitsubishi, Land Rover, Mercedes, Cadillac, Renault, Nissan, Saab and Chevy.

Possible causes of water coming threw the headliner and dome light(s) are:
Sunroof water leak.
---Drain tubes clogged or kinked or disconnected from the sunroof.
---Glass panel improperly adjusted.
---Faulty glass panel seal.
Windshield seal
Rear washer hose
Roof rails not sealed
Split seam in roof panels.

Gurgling sound from sunroof.
Low spot in drain hose routing, allowing water to stand.


Since most people suspect that their problem is with the sunroof or drain tubes we’ll start there. This information is using the Jeep MK as an example but these are standard procedures and will help find the cause and fix it for just about anything on the road. I’ll cover the other possibilities later.

The sliding glass panel is designed to seal water entry with a snug fit between the roof and the seal. The fit can be checked by inserting a piece of paper between the roof and the seal. The piece of paper should have some resistance when pulled out when the glass panel is in the closed position. The sunroof housing will drain off a minimum amount of water. Excessive wind noise could result if the gap clearances are exceeded. The sunroof glass panel may need to be adjusted. Refer to Sunroof Glass Panel Adjustment for proper procedures.

Adequate drainage is provided by a drain trough in the sunroof housing which encircles the sliding glass panel and leads to drain hoses. If a wet headliner or other water leak complaints are encountered, before performing any adjustments, first ensure that the drainage system is not plugged or disconnected. Use a pint container to pour water into the sunroof housing drain trough. If water flow is restricted, use compressed air to blow out any material plugging the drain system. Retest system again.

Step1
Use a non-abrasive cleaner with a soft cloth to clean the glass panel and the seal on the outside of the car.
Step2
Open the sunroof after opening the vent shade. Allow the sunroof to open to the vent position but do not let it slide backwards.

Step3
Inspect the seal. Look for any cracks in the seal. If you find any, you will need to replace the seal. Contact the car manufacturer or a repair shop to replace the seal.
Step4
Open the sunroof all the way and wipe and clean the trough that is around the opening of the sunroof. Use a wet cloth to remove any debris that may be preventing a tight seal between the trough and the sunroof's seal.
Step5
Check the drainage tubes. You can use a small cable such as an old speedometer cable core to gently probe around for a few inches to see if there are any clogs or standing water in the tubes.

Step6
Use the cable again to try to clear the drainage tubes if they are clogged. Make sure whatever you use does not have a sharp end and apply only a little pressure.
Check that the clogs are completely gone in the drainage tubes by pouring a small amount of water into the tubes. See below.
This is a shot of the right front drain tube. I could not see or get the cable to find it's way into the rear tubes. The tubes are located about 20" rear of the sunroof opening.


To further check for a disconnected drain hose (this will be another installment):
1. Remove A-pillar trim, sun visors, and map lamps/mini console.
2. Lower headliner as necessary to gain access to sunroof housing drain tubes.
3. Repair as necessary.
4. Reinstall headliner
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Unread 05-03-2009, 11:22 AM   #25
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Here are 2 different parts views to help you familiarize yourself with the parts and locations.

From the Service Manual


1 - DRAIN TROUGH
2 - GLASS ASSEMBLY
3 - SUN SHADE
4 - WIND DEFLECTOR
5 - MOTOR
6 - MOTOR SCREWS (3) 3 N•m (26 in. lbs.)
7 - GLASS ASSEMBLY SCREWS (4) 3.5 N•m (31 in. lbs.)
8 - FRAME ASSEMBLY
9 - BRACKETS
10 - END CAPS

From the Parts Book

1 Sunroof Glass
2 Sunroof Glass Seal
3 Sunroof Glass SCREW PACKAGE Attach
4 Sunroof Drain CHANNEL
5 Sunroof SUNSHADE
6 Sunroof Wind DEFLECTOR
7 Sunroof MOTOR
8 Sunroof FRAME,
9 Sunroof Frame BRACKET,
10 VELCRO STRIP
11 Hex SCREW AND WASHER,
12 NUT Sunroof to Ring Reinforcement & Sunroof to Roof Side Rail
13 HOSE, Sunroof Drain, Clips serviced with Hose
14 Sunroof Rear Drain HOSE
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Unread 05-03-2009, 11:28 AM   #26
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SUNROOF GLASS PANEL ADJUSTMENT

1. Move the sunshade rearward to the open position.
2. Move the sunroof glass panel to the fully closed position.

3. Adjust the glass one corner at a time.
a. Loosen four glass screws (1).
b. Lift glass assembly and align the top of the glass panel to the top of the roof panel.
c. Tighten screw to 3 N•m (26 in. lbs.).
d. Repeat steps a. and b. for each corner of the glass panel.


e. When properly adjusted, the front of the glass panel is 1.0 mm (0.04 in.) to 2.0 mm (0.08 in.) lower than the roof surface and the rear edge of the glass panel is 1.0 mm (0.04 in.) to 2.0 mm (0.08 in.) higher than the roof surface.

NOTE: When properly adjusted, the front of the glass panel (3) is 1.0 mm (0.04 in.) to 2.0 mm (0.08 in.) lower than the roof surface (2).

NOTE: When properly adjusted, the rear edge of the glass panel (3) is 1.0 mm (0.04 in.) to 2.0 mm (0.08 in.) higher than the roof surface (2).

4. Verify sunroof operation and alignment. Check fit and re-adjust as necessary.
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Unread 05-03-2009, 11:33 AM   #27
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Drain Hose REMOVAL

NOTE: Compass shown, Patriot similar.

1. Drop down the headliner as necessary to gain access to the drain hoses. (LATER)


2. Disconnect the front hoses (2) from the sunroof assembly (1).
3. Release the support clips (3) and disconnect the lower grommet and remove the hose.

4. Disconnect the rear hoses (2) from the sunroof assembly (1) and release the support clips (3).

5. Separate the remaining support clips (1).
6. Disconnect the grommet (2) from the body (3) and remove the rear hoses as necessary.


7. For the Patriot right rear drain hose, separate the support clips (4) and disconnect the hose ends from the sunroof (2) and the rear header (5).
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Unread 05-04-2009, 03:54 AM   #28
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Unread 06-18-2009, 09:50 AM   #29
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Thanks for the information. I was wondering if sunroof leak could be causing a recent leak my Patriot sprung. However, instead of leaking from the headliner or domelights, my leak came from the light in the rear (where the removable flashlight is). Should I be looking for a leak elsewhere? Thanks for your help!
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Unread 06-18-2009, 05:13 PM   #30
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I've heard of this problem too.

A guess - notice picture 7 above. The rear drain hose on the Patriot is much more horizontal than the Compass and could be a problem if it gets clogged.

Also worth mentioning - Check the rear windshield washer hose too. If you seem to get full pressure and the leak doesn't happen just when you use it then that probably isn't the problem.
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