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Unread 02-13-2013, 10:21 AM   #1
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Jeep Patriot questions

Hi all I'm new here and looking at buying a Jeep Patriot here in the UK

I will have a budget of around Ł10-11k so would like to get a low milage 09/10 plate 2.0 CRD Limited

However I have a couple of questions.

The engine is a VAG unit, but is it the same as the PD140 found in golfs, Leon's and Octavia etc, as this engine suffers from a few serious problems in later life, I'm kind of hoping its the new common rail, but I have been unable to find this info out

Also what are the main advantages of the newer more expensive 2.2 Merc engined models

Hope you don't mind me asking these questions

Many thanks

Stephen

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Unread 02-13-2013, 10:22 AM   #2
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PS I did do a search but could not really find any answers
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Unread 02-13-2013, 12:03 PM   #3
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This is what I got from the wiki:


2.0 R4 TDI PD 47-103kW
identification
parts code prefix: ???
engine configuration & engine displacement
inline four-cylinder (R4/I4) Turbocharged Direct Injection (TDI) turbodiesel; 1,968 cubic centimetres (120.1 cu in); bore x stroke: 81.0 by 95.5 millimetres (3.19 in × 3.76 in), stroke ratio: 0.85:1 - undersquare/long-stroke, 492.1 cc per cylinder; compression ratio: 18.5:1
cylinder block & crankcase
grey cast iron; five main bearings, die-forged steel crankshaft, fracture-split forged steel connecting rods
cylinder head & valvetrain
cast aluminium alloy; two valves per cylinder, 8 valves total, timing belt driven single overhead camshaft (SOHC)
aspiration
turbocharger, intercooler
fuel system & engine management
Pumpe Düse (PD) direct injection (DI): engine-driven vane-type low-pressure fuel lift pump, four camshaft-actuated (via roller rocker arms) high-pressure Bosch 2,200–2,400 bars (31,910–34,810 psi) Unit Injectors with solenoid valve injection nozzles, Bosch EDC 16 or EDC 17 or Siemens VDO SIMOS PPD1 electronic engine control unit (ECU) with altitude compensation, EU4 compliant
exhaust system
diesel particulate filter (DPF) (not on Industrial variants)
EWG-rated motive power & torque outputs, ID codes, applications
47 kilowatts (64 PS; 63 bhp) @ 3,000 rpm; 200 newton metres (148 lbf·ft) @ 1,750 rpm — Volkswagen Industrial Motor - 447 (CBH: 05/07->)
55 kilowatts (75 PS; 74 bhp) — Volkswagen Industrial Motor - 455 (CBJ: 05/07->)
63 kilowatts (86 PS; 84 bhp) @ 3,000 rpm; 250 newton metres (184 lbf·ft) @ 1,750 rpm — Volkswagen Industrial Motor - 463
74 kilowatts (101 PS; 99 bhp) @ 3,000 rpm; 285 newton metres (210 lbf·ft) @ 1,750 rpm — Volkswagen Industrial Motor - 474 (CBK: 01/07->)
DIN-rated motive power & torque outputs, ID codes
100 kilowatts (136 PS; 134 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 310 newton metres (229 lbf·ft) @ 1,750-2,500 rpm — ???
103 kilowatts (140 PS; 138 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 lbf·ft) @ 1,800 rpm — BRE (Audi B7 A4, Audi C6 A6)
applications
Volkswagen Golf Mk5, VW Jetta Mk5, Volkswagen Touran, Volkswagen Tiguan, VW Passat B6, Audi 8P A3, Audi B7 A4, Audi B8 A4, Audi C6 A6, SEAT Leon, SEAT Altea and XL, SEAT Toledo, Škoda Octavia, Volkswagen Industrial Motor, Chrysler Sebring, Chrysler Sebring (convertible), Dodge Avenger, Dodge Caliber (MY07 BKD, MY08 BMR), Dodge Journey, Jeep Compass, Mitsubishi Lancer, Mitsubishi Grandis, Mitsubishi Outlander
references
"New VW Passat in depth". WorldCarFans.com. Volkswagen AG. 4 March 2005. Retrieved 6 November 2009.
"The new TDI 2.0 Industrial Engines" (PDF), mi-uk.com (Volkswagen AG), April 2007, retrieved 6 November 2009

Don't know if that helps (maybe Knowing which cars it is in might). There are not too many people on this site outside the US, and as we don't get that engine here, not sure if you will get more info than that.
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Unread 02-13-2013, 12:53 PM   #4
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Many thanks, I read the same but its double Dutch to me lol
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Unread 02-13-2013, 02:53 PM   #5
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Kan je nederlands niet verstan? Dat's best jammer weet je.
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Unread 02-13-2013, 02:57 PM   #6
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Kan je nederlands niet verstan? Dat's best jammer weet je.
Ja
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Unread 02-14-2013, 03:50 PM   #7
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My friend, that engine is the best thing in Compass. Unfortunately, I have experienced it on my own skin. I bought car (Rallye edition) from a friend in March 2011, with 95000 km on it, and now, I`m at 118000 km, because I don`t drive it much (only city and highway drive, no off-roading).
I had all possible mechanical and electrical issues in universe, invested between 3000€ and 4000€ in a 3 year old car (worth about 13 000€ at that time) with less than 100K km on it, and the only thing that I can praise is the engine, probably because it is not Jeep`s. No problems with it, and, as i can here from other 2,0 TDI (CRD) owners of another brands, this thing stands. When I had last problem with electric installations, dealer told me that diagnostic device detected that 1 out of 4 engine heaters does not work, but told me that it is not a big deal and should not worry that much about it.
My poor Compass.
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