Gramps, I don't mind arguing with fools, but when they're completely intellectually disarmed it is kinda like shooting fish in a proverbial barrel.
Originally Posted by BGYJ
Since I made comment on a vehicle and then comments were made toward me, yes I would call that flaming. Perfect for someone in a flamers vehicle. The jeep info guy asked for comments and I gave him one.
Do you know why all of those vehicles have gone to more seating and larger engines? The companies realized that there was a reason why Geo failed. People want some room when they travel. What’s the point of getting 24 miles to the gallon if the trip makes you claustrophobic?
Geo failed? OMG, you might want to take a closer look at automotive marketing before making inane comments like that.
Let's see, Geo's products included a rebadged Suzuki Sidekick, essentially a model still in production (albeit evolved a bit), and that sold very well for both brands and a rebaged Toyota Corolla (one of Toyota's all-time best-sellers and also did well for Chevy).
Ok, the rebadged Isuzu car didn't do so well, but then again, neither did ANY Isuzu car, as they have all been gone for a decade or so, and the trucks (even the bigger ones) will be going soon too.
Chevy ended the Geo thing because they thought they now had a better marketing position against small imports and could compete with their own badge on those types of products (like the Aveo).
So you not only incorrectly think that Geo was a failure, you ALSO think that small cars/trucks are not selling? Hello? Scion, Fit, Yarus, which are all even smaller than the tremendously popular Civic, Focus, GTI/Beetle. Heck BMW has sold more than double the expected number of Mini's in this country since their debut in 2002, by all measure another success story. I also see plenty of CR-Vs, Elements, older Rav4s etc.
Sorry, but your facts and logic are both seriously flawed.
“Price point vs. equipment with gas mileage. Potentially a lucrative market and more importantly, one that Jeep was completely failing to tap.”
Of course they failed in this market, no one in the world has ever expected jeep in that market.
Hey STUNAD. I didn't say Jeep had "failed in the market" I said they'd "failed to tap" the market. I.E. they'd hadn't TRIED TO SELL A VEHICLE IN THAT SEGMENT, a growing and potentially lucrative segment.
My point, which was so breathtakingly simple I cannot believe you missed it, was that Jeep has an opportunity with the Compass to penetrate into a different market segment, which means important things to the company bottom line and ability to bring other vehicles to market.
It brings me back to the same question I had, why tarnish the jeep name with this crap? If jeep doesn’t have a vehicle that works, fix the ones you have. They could have made the liberty a more gas friendly vehicle. They could have made the wrangler a more gas friendly vehicle. Or better yet, they could have made the XJ a more gas friendly vehicle.
Well, "tarnish" the Jeep name is an emotional argument not a logical one. Since even the vast majority of Jeep owners will never take their vehicles off road it's kinda stupid to assume that simply by building a vehicle designed for road usage will somehow "tarnish" the brand image. The brand image will continue to be determined by both the lion share of the "trail rated" products, the marketing and the build-quality and overall happiness of Jeep owners. No harm in bringing new, road only owners into the fold, as long as you keep them happy.
I do however concur with one of your points. They COULD make the Libby and Wrangler more gas friendly, or, more to the point, they could make them both DIESEL and therefore more "economical." They did with the Libby, with mixed but mostly positive results. They sell both as diesels in other parts of the world. I think that should be a long term strategy here if gas prices stay high and if the reformulated fuels and newer diesel vehicles make them more attractive to American consumers. I'm at least optimistic about all this.
They didn’t need to compete with the Saturn Vue. Who the hell wants a Saturn Vue? Do we really need more Kia look-a-likes?
Jeep has never really taped into the ¾ ton market. Why not it? It seams to be just as smart as running a perfectly good image in the ground?
Again, you prove that you are not paying any attention to the automotive market.
The big 3 domestic manufacturers are all in serious financial trouble, GM and Ford being in the worst shape. Why? Well, that's a long story, but keep in mind that GM and Ford have pretty much forgotten how to design, build and market cars that people want. Their tenuous profitability over the past few years has been based almost solely on full-size trucks and things like the 3/4 ton market. Unfortunately that market has come CRASHING down around them with post-Katrina fuel prices.
They're getting a temporary reprieve right now with lower crude prices, but at the same time Toyota and Honda have been making inroads to their last bastion of safety (marketing large SUVs and Trucks). While at the same time the imports continue to handily make money on small cars and SUVs. The domestic manufacturers need to learn how to do this to stay in business.