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Unread 05-11-2006, 05:43 PM   #76
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You mean these don't look good?
That makes me want to hurl...

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Unread 05-11-2006, 05:49 PM   #77
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Q: What's the difference between thes cars?
A: Only one would stand out in a police line-up.

And just for the "WTF" factor....
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Unread 05-11-2006, 09:03 PM   #78
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In my Alfa this 120 HP is produced ad 6500 rpm. Have you ever revviev any engine that high? Exactly. The same with this 175 HP in patriot. You will never use it.
Just reinforces what I was saying

I'm sure if I had an S2000 which redlines at 11000 rpm, I'd dabble in the 6500 rpm range

Oh, and WTF is in the picture above this post!?!?!?
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No, they don't
If I would like to have car like this (4x4 combi), I would go with Alfa Romeo Crosswagon- faster, better, beautifull, more fuel efficient.

And what would you pay for an alpha romeo vs this?

Im too tired to look back at who said it, but I agree with the guy about this filling a need. The bottom line is, car companies...ALL of them are taking big hits right now. Yeah, wranglers are the most capable of roader out there, but it takes serious cash to do the research and testing for vehicles like that, and wranglers dont sell hot enough to justify all that cash.

So, the compass fills a niche in the market demand. Personally, I dont think its all that bad, and if it sells well, it makes jeep richer, and able to produce the vehicles we all love.

Its pretty simple. DC allows jeep to build a few economy/sporty type vehicles, and as a result, the company makes profit, and brings you more of what you love.

Im mean jesus christ......theyre about to produce the best performing wrangler in forever, and you guys have your panties in a bunch about this?
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Im mean jesus christ......theyre about to produce the best performing wrangler in forever, and you guys have your panties in a bunch about this?
They also hate the new Wrangler
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Unread 05-11-2006, 11:58 PM   #81
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This is alfa romeo Crosswagon. Here in europe, the better version but without things not needed like DVD with 3 displays etc. cost $40.000 for HEMI WK yoy have to pay $76.000 here. For limited 3.7 Liberty- $39.000. So I believe the price disproportion isn't that big, while this car is (in my opinion of course) one of the most beautifull cars in the world, and will outperform compass and other sh*t hands down. It is also a diesel, so you can have about 7-8 liters/100 km, which gives over 30 miles per galon (in urban cycle). And the diesel fuel is cheaper than petrol. Beside you have better suspension to ride onroad, and 150 HP that will be used much better than the 170 in patriot or the ones in compass (don't eaven know how much). And you still have good car, that can cary many things and be able to be driven on every road.
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Unread 05-12-2006, 05:29 AM   #82
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Yeah..hat Alpha is a beautiful car.

There's ony one slight problem. Alpha doesnt sell cars in the United States, and hasnt since 1995. Now supposedly they are going to start again, but a crosswagon that costs 40k in Europe, will cost us 60-70 at least. Just like the liberty, for you, a new liberty is 39k, for me, the limited 3.6 4x4 is only 26k.

So again, there are better cars out there, but even if we COULD get a car like tat Alpha, the price would be so high, I could buy the top of the line Jeep. Hell that Hemi WK that costs 76k there, is only 31k here.

So yes the Alpha is a better car, but only becasue of its price for YOU. FOr us, and Alpha is reservd for people with lots of money, and I still stand by my original point.
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mpyusko,

I believe it is a misconception that they will be the same size as the small golfs or well, golf carts.. Compass will be larger, according to what they have on the website.

Jeep is thinking of targeting non 4x4'ers who wants to go wheeling on the highway on a jeep. That's all. But I doubt that the final product will look anything like those pictures.
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I'm pretty excited about the whole rally car idea, anyone else? AWD like the Subaru outback, but with the Jeep name and background.
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mpyuskoJeep is thinking of targeting non 4x4'ers who wants to go wheeling on the highway on a jeep.
Could you explain how you do that??
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That's the idea..
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Rush, I don't believe the price would be so high. Here in europe we pay a lot of taxes in the cars price. Transport of the vechicle is nothing. You there don't have socialism like we do here. They can call it like they want, but it still is real socialism. This is why we have to pay here so much for these cars. And for the fuel. And for everything.
We gonna see, what will the alfa price be in US if they will start to sell it, but I believe it wouldn't be so big. I believe it won't exceed 40K. Propably eaven 30K. And then it's similar to Liberty. Worth considering.
And, to be honest, if I had a chance to choose between Grand WK Hemi (5.7 or eaven 6.1) and alfa 159 3.2JTS, that will be in similar price propably, I wouldn't hesitate.
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Oh, and WTF is in the picture above this post!?!?!?
It's a BMW Isetta. 1 stock, and one with about 1000HP. (not sure how much really, but look at it.)

Google "Isetta."

(Steve Urkel drove one in Family Matters.)

hyedipin,
My point again is missed. Jeep has sucessfully made a vehicle that looks just like any other vehicle. You can't mistake a TJ, YJ, or CJ for anything but a Jeep. Cherokees somewhat. GC's... well, they are getting really european. Liberty's are just fugly... and I don't consider them to be any more of a Jeep than the Jeep Wrangler Stroller @ Babies r' Us. I Like my TJ because it is obviously a Jeep. I like the Mini Cooper because It is definatley a Mini Cooper. The BMW Isetta, The VW Beetle. Why was the Beetle great? Why are CJ's, YJ's, TJ's all great? Because for 40+ years they were basicly the same. They knew they had something that worked. You don't fix something that isn't broken.... (wait... stupid analogy.... we all build our rigs to some degree) anyway..... Loyalty is what makes Jeep great. This new line-up isn't begging my loyalty. Sad... very, very sad.
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Sheesh. Were I to go out and buy a new vehicle today...that had four-wheel independent suspension and excellent road-going qualities, but still the muscle to take some minor off-road situations, I would NEVER buy one of these heaps of crap. Think about it. For roughly the same price (based on what I've heard about the Compass), you could get a Subaru Outback that has more power (250 hp), more ground clearance (8.7") and definitely more realiability (duh.)! Now I know that this will start a controversy, but there ain't no American-made (Daimler-Chrysler or other) that can come close to the reliability of a Japanese car. Everyone knows it. Everyone has always known it. The fact is that Jeep will never be able to compete with Subaru when it comes to small SUV/family car line. No one ever has, no one ever will. They are simply the best snow-going cars, the best rally cars, etc. Of course there are those who will say that they hate Subarus and woulld never drive them...blah blah...I tell you what, though. In my neck of the woods, if you're driving a Jeep in the winter time, there are quite a few days you stay home. Those things are rolling coffins in winter. I wouldn't drive anything but a Subaru in the winter. I've got one with 256k miles and she's still running like a champ. The dang thing is unstoppable in the snow. Jeep may be on to something with their "targeting a younger demographic", but anyone with an ounce of sense would get a reliable Japanese car before one of these piles of garbage. For off-road, Jeep is king. Always have been. Jeep shouldn't dabble in the business of primarily road-going, independent suspension-ed family vehicles, though. Leave that to the quality-made imports that get excellent fuel economy and last forever.
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Sheesh. Were I to go out and buy a new vehicle today...that had four-wheel independent suspension and excellent road-going qualities, but still the muscle to take some minor off-road situations, I would NEVER buy one of these heaps of crap. Think about it. For roughly the same price (based on what I've heard about the Compass), you could get a Subaru Outback that has more power (250 hp), more ground clearance (8.7") and definitely more realiability (duh.)! Now I know that this will start a controversy, but there ain't no American-made (Daimler-Chrysler or other) that can come close to the reliability of a Japanese car. Everyone knows it. Everyone has always known it. The fact is that Jeep will never be able to compete with Subaru when it comes to small SUV/family car line. No one ever has, no one ever will. They are simply the best snow-going cars, the best rally cars, etc. Of course there are those who will say that they hate Subarus and woulld never drive them...blah blah...I tell you what, though. In my neck of the woods, if you're driving a Jeep in the winter time, there are quite a few days you stay home. Those things are rolling coffins in winter. I wouldn't drive anything but a Subaru in the winter. I've got one with 256k miles and she's still running like a champ. The dang thing is unstoppable in the snow. Jeep may be on to something with their "targeting a younger demographic", but anyone with an ounce of sense would get a reliable Japanese car before one of these piles of garbage. For off-road, Jeep is king. Always have been. Jeep shouldn't dabble in the business of primarily road-going, independent suspension-ed family vehicles, though. Leave that to the quality-made imports that get excellent fuel economy and last forever.
That's funny, I wouldn't drive anything but my Jeep in the winter! Nothing stops her, not even 3 ft of snow. As for 4-wheel independant suspension - don't need it, don't want it. My mom was unfortunate enough to get a '05 Explorer for a rental car a week ago and for all their hype about IRS is sooooo great on an SUV, that thing rides like crap! Reliability? Jeeps will go to 250k easy, some ZJ owners are closer to 300k and still going.
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