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Unread 03-30-2013, 09:22 PM   #1
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Inlaws need a new Jeep...Patriot to replace Cherokee Sport?

We own a TJ Wrangler and my inlaws own a TJ (dad drives) and a '01 Cherokee Sport (mom drives). The Cherokee has over 150k on it and they are looking to replace it with hopefully another Jeep. She wanted something that is as close to her beloved Cherokee as possible so we are looking at the Patriot. I can talk to you all day about the reliability of the 4.0 (in all ours now) but I know nothing about the Patriot or the CVT trans.

-What is the general consensus about drivetrain reliability?

-Loaded up with the grandkids and gear, does it have enough power to get out of it's own way?

-Is this the same engine (2.4) that the newer wrangler owners complained about?

-What can we expect in MPG?

Any info is greatly appreciated. They are looking at a new 2013 4x4. BTW, hopefully I can get my hands on the Cherokee when they get a new one. It's in great shape, but they are worried about it because of the miles. I agreed with them about the 'miles' and told them I would do them a 'favor' and 'take it off their hands'..hehe.

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Unread 03-31-2013, 03:30 AM   #2
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I enjoyed my patriot when I owned it. They will feel the hit in power, it may matter it may not. I went from a v8 truck to a patriot and I was fine with it. They may find the rear cargo area a little small as they raised the floor to fit the spare inside. Other than that, I put 89k on my pat in one year without a hitch only a minor ecu reprogram for the trans. After that it was fine.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 08:41 AM   #3
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The drivetrain on a patriot is extreamly reliable. The 2.4 is a very different engine from what the other wrangler owners complain about. Ours is our family vehicle, and it is always loaded with me, my wife, our two kids and all the junk that comes along with kids... and yes, it is no speed deamon, but it has enough power to pass on the highway, and accelerate to freeway speeds and beyond... My parents boughta car with a cvt (suzuki kisashi) and really like it. I think the smoothness of it is a bonus to older drivers (my parents are in their 50's close to being 60) who don't really care about driving, they just do it. and its the same unit that's in nissans, suzuki, and 4 or 5 other makes.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 09:32 AM   #4
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The drivetrain on a patriot is extreamly reliable. The 2.4 is a very different engine from what the other wrangler owners complain about. Ours is our family vehicle, and it is always loaded with me, my wife, our two kids and all the junk that comes along with kids... and yes, it is no speed deamon, but it has enough power to pass on the highway, and accelerate to freeway speeds and beyond... My parents boughta car with a cvt (suzuki kisashi) and really like it. I think the smoothness of it is a bonus to older drivers (my parents are in their 50's close to being 60) who don't really care about driving, they just do it. and its the same unit that's in nissans, suzuki, and 4 or 5 other makes.
Almost every single make and model vehicle fitted with a CVT is plagued with problems just do a google search? They can fail at any time I've seen reports from 20-70,000 miles failing for no rhyme or reason and they're virtually non serviceable and non rebuildable. The only vehicle I have seen from research with mediocre reviews are the Prius.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 09:37 AM   #5
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The early cvts in the Nissans had issues..but most cvts of the past few years have addressed all the issues... there's plenty of people with well over 100k and no issues
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Unread 03-31-2013, 10:04 AM   #6
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I traded in a 99 Cherokee for an 07 Patriot at first I loved it then merely liked it but was glad to be done with it after 5 years. The powertrain was fine but the suspension was a continual headache for me, I live down a dirt road and replaced the front sway bar links twice, left ball joint once, passenger ball joint once, both rear trailing arms and both rear hubs. All with under 90k on it.

I didn't have any suspension problems with my Cherokee and haven't had any problems with the 05 Grand Cherokee I replaced the Patriot with.

Others may have had better luck but I wouldn't buy another Patriot.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 10:07 AM   #7
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The early cvts in the Nissans had issues..but most cvts of the past few years have addressed all the issues... there's plenty of people with well over 100k and no issues
Chrysler/Jeep is rarely known for reliability I wouldn't take a chance on one with a CVT.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 10:33 AM   #8
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Our '08 Compass has been great since we bought it new. The engine and drivetrain have been flawless. I recommend this platform highly, unless you're going rock crawling, or something else extreme. I take exception to anecdotal reports of a large amount of failures found on the internet. The internet is forum of people complaining. Happy, satisfied users are driving their cars, and not whining on the web. If you read forums dedicated to specific models such as this one, you will find an inordinate number of posters that come here to complain about problems. You won't find a large number of threads brimming with praise. I'm not knocking people coming to the web with their complaints, it's a great place to find solutions. There are people here that truly enjoy just helping out. But I don't think it's a place to glean empirical data. So, to the OP, if the Patriot suits your needs, don't be afraid of the platform, it's basically a reliable and economical vehicle.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 11:05 AM   #9
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I dont like the slow throttle response. It's really snappy at low speeds from on power to off power or off to on again. Very annoying. The premium Boston stereo didnt sound as good as the standard stereo in my Volvo, so that needed upgrading. The ground clearance is good, it seems to do well in snow. It's very slow. My fd2 version gets 17 city 23 highway. 14 city with A/C on in summer.

I suggest test driving a 2014 with 6 speed auto. Stay away from cvt.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 01:54 PM   #10
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I didn't even know the 14's were out. We just found one with the 6 speed and we are gonna go drive it tomorrow. Thanks for the info all.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 05:38 PM   #11
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I didn't even know the 14's were out. We just found one with the 6 speed and we are gonna go drive it tomorrow. Thanks for the info all.
Please report back, see if they have a CVT to drive back to back,
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Unread 04-01-2013, 08:44 PM   #12
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We own a TJ Wrangler and my inlaws own a TJ (dad drives) and a '01 Cherokee Sport (mom drives). The Cherokee has over 150k on it and they are looking to replace it with hopefully another Jeep. She wanted something that is as close to her beloved Cherokee as possible so we are looking at the Patriot. I can talk to you all day about the reliability of the 4.0 (in all ours now) but I know nothing about the Patriot or the CVT trans.

-What is the general consensus about drivetrain reliability?

-Loaded up with the grandkids and gear, does it have enough power to get out of it's own way?

-Is this the same engine (2.4) that the newer wrangler owners complained about?

-What can we expect in MPG?

Any info is greatly appreciated. They are looking at a new 2013 4x4. BTW, hopefully I can get my hands on the Cherokee when they get a new one. It's in great shape, but they are worried about it because of the miles. I agreed with them about the 'miles' and told them I would do them a 'favor' and 'take it off their hands'..hehe.
Having owned 3 cherokees and a grand cherokee, and now driving a patriot, I can say unquivicaly, unless your cherokee is giving you trouble, keep it. The partiot doesnt hold a candle to a cherokee, in power, comfort, or room. Milage will be a little better, but IMO, not enough to make up for the downsides.... 150K on a cherokee is nothing. If it has the 6 cylinder and automatic, it will go 250K easy, then you rebuild it and do it again....

I VERY much regret letting my wife talk me into letter her trade in her grand cherokee on the patriot, and so does she at this point....

Its not that the patriot is a "bad" vehichle, its just that, well, its no cherokee.
Its reliable, and I have never had a lick of trouble from the CVT. Mine is a 2008, and so far I have had to replace the alternator clutch, A/C clutch (the whole unit actualy since you cant get just the clutch, but the clutch is all that went bad) both inner tie rods, and one wheel bearing. Thats 2 or $3K at dealer prices, but doing the work myself I am into repairs around $500 plus 20 or so hours of my time....

It has plenty of power once you get going, but power off the line is.... lacking....

Tell your mom to do herself a favor and keep the cherokee.... or better, upgrade to a 2004 grand cherokee with the 6 cyl and auto....

My patriot with FDII and all the whiz bang traction control is ALMOST as capable off road as a bone stock cherokee, IMO...

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I dont like the slow throttle response. It's really snappy at low speeds from on power to off power or off to on again. Very annoying.
Thats one of my peeves with my patriot too. Its not due to the CVT, but rather the electronic throttle. Another thing that annoys me about the electronic throttle is when you set the cruise control and take your foot off the throttle, it comes back all the way, where with a normal mechanical throttle it stays down, so that when you have to cancel cruise, you dont have to "find" where the throttle is at.... a minor annoyance, but one I think about every time....
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Unread 04-01-2013, 08:49 PM   #13
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My Volvo had electronic throttle with no lag though. And that was ancient 2001 technology.
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Unread 04-01-2013, 09:25 PM   #14
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I didn't even know the 14's were out. We just found one with the 6 speed and we are gonna go drive it tomorrow. Thanks for the info all.
I'd love to hear how you liked the 6 speed. Please post your thoughts. Thanks.
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Unread 04-01-2013, 10:36 PM   #15
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I'd love to hear how you liked the 6 speed. Please post your thoughts. Thanks.
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