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kevinw2345 03-08-2013 12:23 PM

Hids
 
Hey guys I'm trying to install hids in my 08 compass but when I turn them on my radio shuts off and dash lights up and it comes up no bus. Is there any input you guys could give me?

kevinw2345 03-08-2013 01:29 PM

And these are my fogs by the way, any help is appreciated

IRSmart 03-09-2013 08:05 AM

yes, the advice is to junk them and put hallogens back in. HIDs are not the god send people think they are. read this article:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

KLRJEEPER 03-15-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IRSmart (Post 15104757)
yes, the advice is to junk them and put hallogens back in. HIDs are not the god send people think they are. read this article:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

Don't mind Daniel stern. I have been.running hid in a bunch of vehicles with great results. However, it's tricky in the compass as is with my.patriot. You need a relay system to connect them too. Google harness for can bus hid. After that, they work fine. However in my new jk unlimited the headlight design was not good for.them .

Gramps 03-16-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IRSmart (Post 15104757)
yes, the advice is to junk them and put hallogens back in. HIDs are not the god send people think they are. read this article:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

Read the article and decide for yourself. They are not legal in most states. Functioning and Working correctly are not the same thing.

IRSmart 03-16-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KLRJEEPER (Post 15140109)
Don't mind Daniel stern. I have been.running hid in a bunch of vehicles with great results. However, it's tricky in the compass as is with my.patriot. You need a relay system to connect them too. Google harness for can bus hid. After that, they work fine. However in my new jk unlimited the headlight design was not good for.them .

"don't mind daniel stern?" :laugh: can you define "great results?" because the problem is by design. a headlight housing designed for hallogen bulbs is not equipped to properly emit a safe, legal, and functional beam pattern from a hacked up HID retrofit. period. there are different degrees of failure, however they are all unfit beam patterns. the only true way to install HIDs after the fact is to retrofit a housing designed for HIDs in the first place. to do otherwise is lazy and unsafe, both for you and for other drivers on the road.

*awaits the standard "nuh-uh! i put HIDs in my car and the beam pattern looks fine and they're hella cool!"*

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Originally Posted by Gramps (Post 15142953)
Read the article and decide for yourself. They are not legal in most states. Functioning and Working correctly are not the same thing.

correct, there is a difference between "working" and "functional". but HID retrofits are illegal in all 50 states (they're actually banned by the department of transportation at the federal level) and are illegal in most countries as well.

KLRJEEPER 03-22-2013 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IRSmart (Post 15142977)

"don't mind daniel stern?" :laugh: can you define "great results?" because the problem is by design. a headlight housing designed for hallogen bulbs is not equipped to properly emit a safe, legal, and functional beam pattern from a hacked up HID retrofit. period. there are different degrees of failure, however they are all unfit beam patterns. the only true way to install HIDs after the fact is to retrofit a housing designed for HIDs in the first place. to do otherwise is lazy and unsafe, both for you and for other drivers on the road.

*awaits the standard "nuh-uh! i put HIDs in my car and the beam pattern looks fine and they're hella cool!"*

correct, there is a difference between "working" and "functional". but HID retrofits are illegal in all 50 states (they're actually banned by the department of transportation at the federal level) and are illegal in most countries as well.

Well then I won't respond. I used the proper color temp, not some stupid annoying blue crap, aimed them properly then had my wife drive at me to make sure they were not annoying. I spend at least 70-80k a year in pitch black driving. I know what works and what does not. And yes, don't mind Daniel stern, I have read and talked to him about lighting and he talks out of his ***.

IRSmart 03-22-2013 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KLRJEEPER (Post 15173902)
Well then I won't respond. I used the proper color temp, not some stupid annoying blue crap, aimed them properly then had my wife drive at me to make sure they were not annoying. I spend at least 70-80k a year in pitch black driving. I know what works and what does not. And yes, don't mind Daniel stern, I have read and talked to him about lighting and he talks out of his ***.

looks like a response to me :confused:

you can aim them all you want, the problem with putting HIDs in hallogen housings is conceptual and cannot be overcome with any amount of aiming. aiming simply adjusts the beam pattern up or down, it does nothing to adjust the pattern itself. yes, the light is brighter, i will agree with you there, but brighter does not equal better. the headlight needs to be able to use the light that it is given effectively. by positioning the light differently than the hallogen bulb and moving it from the focal point, you have removed the headlight's ability to do so. having someone else tell you that the light isn't glaring is an exremely poor and short-sighted way of judging effectiveness.

think about it this way. remember those old maglight flashlights that you could take down an elk with? remember shining them onto your neighbor's house a block away because they were that powerful? when you twisted the end of it, remember what happened? the beam pattern would change, and it would do so substantially. an eighth of a turn meant a beam pattern that was absolutely nothing like what you started with. and the bulb was moved by fractions of milimeters. by doing what is described of here, not only are you moving the position of the bulb much more than that, you are also changing the orientation of the light source, and the shape of the light source itself.

the only safe (and arguably legal) way to do an HID retrofit is to also retrofit the housing emitting the beam pattern. every reputable site says so, as does just about every first world country's federal transportation department. whether you agree with them or not is not the argument here, they have scientific data and test results to back up their claim, HID retrofit companies only say "nuh-uh! brighter is better!"

KLRJEEPER 03-22-2013 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by irsmart (Post 15174324)

looks like a response to me :confused:

You can aim them all you want, the problem with putting hids in hallogen housings is conceptual and cannot be overcome with any amount of aiming. Aiming simply adjusts the beam pattern up or down, it does nothing to adjust the pattern itself. Yes, the light is brighter, i will agree with you there, but brighter does not equal better. The headlight needs to be able to use the light that it is given effectively. By positioning the light differently than the hallogen bulb and moving it from the focal point, you have removed the headlight's ability to do so. Having someone else tell you that the light isn't glaring is an exremely poor and short-sighted way of judging effectiveness.

Think about it this way. Remember those old maglight flashlights that you could take down an elk with? Remember shining them onto your neighbor's house a block away because they were that powerful? When you twisted the end of it, remember what happened? The beam pattern would change, and it would do so substantially. An eighth of a turn meant a beam pattern that was absolutely nothing like what you started with. And the bulb was moved by fractions of milimeters. By doing what is described of here, not only are you moving the position of the bulb much more than that, you are also changing the orientation of the light source, and the shape of the light source itself.

The only safe (and arguably legal) way to do an hid retrofit is to also retrofit the housing emitting the beam pattern. Every reputable site says so, as does just about every first world country's federal transportation department. Whether you agree with them or not is not the argument here, they have scientific data and test results to back up their claim, hid retrofit companies only say "nuh-uh! Brighter is better!"

ok. You use what you like, I will use what I like.

jacko15 03-22-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IRSmart (Post 15174324)
yes, the light is brighter, i will agree with you there, but brighter does not equal better

You've hit the nail squarely on the head with that observation. There's a subset of people in our society that is convinced that brighter, louder, bigger, more annoying, more in your face, etc., is always better for them. The problem is, in their little self centered world, it doesn't matter to them how their actions affect anyone else. And trying to reason with them is like trying to reason with a rock.

KLRJEEPER 03-22-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jacko15 (Post 15175353)
You've hit the nail squarely on the head with that observation. There's a subset of people in our society that is convinced that brighter, louder, bigger, more annoying, more in your face, etc., is always better for them. The problem is, in their little self centered world, it doesn't matter to them how their actions affect anyone else. And trying to reason with them is like trying to reason with a rock.

Have you tried a set fo 35w 4300k hid in your patriot? do you even have a patriot? if not....you cannot comment..I used it, the light was not scattered everywhere like the haters would have you believe. it worked really good. it was not up in peoples eyes, it was not bright to on comers, i never got flashed for my lights once when I had them. they gave me much better illumination in the night to see moose and other things on our highways. until someone tries it, they cannot comment. you can side with mr stern and his infinite wisdom. NO, they do not work in all situations, but they work in the patriot, as long as they are 4300k...the blue **** is what hurts more than the brightness.

IRSmart 03-22-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KLRJEEPER (Post 15175451)
Have you tried a set fo 35w 4300k hid in your patriot? do you even have a patriot? if not....you cannot comment..I used it, the light was not scattered everywhere like the haters would have you believe. it worked really good. it was not up in peoples eyes, it was not bright to on comers, i never got flashed for my lights once when I had them. they gave me much better illumination in the night to see moose and other things on our highways. until someone tries it, they cannot comment. you can side with mr stern and his infinite wisdom. NO, they do not work in all situations, but they work in the patriot, as long as they are 4300k...the blue **** is what hurts more than the brightness.

you literally just threw out EVERY steriotypical argument that an HID fanboi has in his arsenal. until you can provide tests (ie: PROOF) that your setup is different than every other in existance, your argument will still be wrong. in this case, it's not an opinionated statement, you're claiming facts, and your facts are simply wrong. keep them in your car, i don't really care, but you'll be informed.

EDIT: and he has a 2008 compass, which share the same headlight with the patriot. with all the glare coming from your headlights, it must have been difficult to read :rofl:

KLRJEEPER 03-22-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IRSmart (Post 15175756)

you literally just threw out EVERY steriotypical argument that an HID fanboi has in his arsenal. until you can provide tests (ie: PROOF) that your setup is different than every other in existance, your argument will still be wrong. in this case, it's not an opinionated statement, you're claiming facts, and your facts are simply wrong. keep them in your car, i don't really care, but you'll be informed.

Ha ha ha. I love the haters.

IRSmart 03-22-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KLRJEEPER (Post 15175762)
Ha ha ha. I love the haters.

i'm a "hater" because i'm informed and actually know what i'm talking about :rofl::rofl::rofl: i love ignorance

Concolour 03-22-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRSmart

looks like a response to me :confused:

you can aim them all you want, the problem with putting HIDs in hallogen housings is conceptual and cannot be overcome with any amount of aiming. aiming simply adjusts the beam pattern up or down, it does nothing to adjust the pattern itself. yes, the light is brighter, i will agree with you there, but brighter does not equal better. the headlight needs to be able to use the light that it is given effectively. by positioning the light differently than the hallogen bulb and moving it from the focal point, you have removed the headlight's ability to do so. having someone else tell you that the light isn't glaring is an exremely poor and short-sighted way of judging effectiveness.

think about it this way. remember those old maglight flashlights that you could take down an elk with? remember shining them onto your neighbor's house a block away because they were that powerful? when you twisted the end of it, remember what happened? the beam pattern would change, and it would do so substantially. an eighth of a turn meant a beam pattern that was absolutely nothing like what you started with. and the bulb was moved by fractions of milimeters. by doing what is described of here, not only are you moving the position of the bulb much more than that, you are also changing the orientation of the light source, and the shape of the light source itself.

HID retrofit companies only say "nuh-uh! brighter is better!"

Haha first thing I thought of was mag lights too XD


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