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Unread 07-26-2013, 01:26 PM   #16
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Well that's all there was then and it's not like I had alot of choices. Something you should relate to wheeling a KJ, support can be limited. But being as condesending as some of these posts are it's not a very constructive way of making an opinion. Junk, cardboard really?????

UBJ's you mentioned in your previous post is that for upper ball joints? I know there are lowers but I can't remember seeing uppers (it has struts) other than the ones on the tie rod ends?

Your opinion is yours and that's fine but to rip on someone elses vehicle of what they have is well.............. tacky. I understand you prefer the coil option so tell it's positive side and not that what someone else has is junk. I guess that would be like someone comming over to the KJ site and doing the same. Just not cool.

I've taken plenty of crap about the Patriot all in fun and that's fine. Hell it's just my work vehicle and I don't even take it off road anymore.

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Unread 07-26-2013, 02:26 PM   #17
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UBJ's you mentioned in your previous post is that for upper ball joints? I know there are lowers but I can't remember seeing uppers (has struts) other than the ones on the tie rod ends?
You are correct. Rear has upper (new provided by RRO) and lower links, and of course a toe link.

You name it, I've replaced it at least once. Some as early as 65,000 KM and all prior to lift. So it will remain to be seen if the lift has an adverse effect on these parts.

On that note. Can anyone explain to me how or why Stu's vs. RRO would be any more or less harsh on the components? In the very basic sense, you're still just jamming a taller strut in... only difference being, one has a much more robust spring (I'm assuming vs. OEM) - meaning some of these components could be working less??

It's a moot point for me now, but maybe somebody could benefit from this question
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Unread 07-26-2013, 03:16 PM   #18
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The person to benefit would be me lol. Since I asked in the first place. But thanks for all the info guys. I at least have to two companies to look into.
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Unread 07-26-2013, 04:43 PM   #19
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You are correct. Rear has upper (new provided by RRO) and lower links, and of course a toe link.

You name it, I've replaced it at least once. Some as early as 65,000 KM and all prior to lift. So it will remain to be seen if the lift has an adverse effect on these parts.

On that note. Can anyone explain to me how or why Stu's vs. RRO would be any more or less harsh on the components? In the very basic sense, you're still just jamming a taller strut in... only difference being, one has a much more robust spring (I'm assuming vs. OEM) - meaning some of these components could be working less??

It's a moot point for me now, but maybe somebody could benefit from this question

Either one is going to be the same on the components at hand. The axle CV's and lower ball joints will have their angles changed from the stock position. One lift places a spacer above the Strut assembly and the other uses a new spring installed into the strut assembly. Neither lift changes the actual length of the strut but the RRO adds length to the top with the spacer. The Stu spring lift is a redesigned spring to make the strut not compress as much. Both lifts require the removal of the strut assemblies front and rear and an alignment is suggested after the install. A strut spring compressor is also needed to replace the springs with the Stu lift.

It's no secret that the MK's lower ball joints are a weak link and mine were replaced at 70,000 miles with the lift. But a lot of non-lifted Patriots have went out sooner so I would think neither lift changes the ball joint issues. I'm still having no problems with the axle CV's and put around 350 miles on each week. Every vehicle is different so maybe I've been lucky.

My opinion is both lifts work and it's up to you to read about others that HAVE both these lifts and make your choice.
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Unread 07-26-2013, 09:52 PM   #20
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Lift kit for compass

http://www.rocky-road.com/index2.html

I used the lift kit from this company, not as easy to install as they say.
I took it in too Pedders and they were happy to install.
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Unread 07-27-2013, 02:45 AM   #21
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I picked the RRO, as it keeps the stock ride quality and pretty easy to uninstall if needed to for any reason, and for 2011 and newer 4x4 patriots, it gives a 2" lift, where the stu only gives a 1" lift over the stock suspension (I have a FDII). If I towed a lot, i may go for the stiffer springs of the stu coils, but I simply don't. Some people on another "jeep patriot" site have had problems contacting the aussi company that sells them, so it might be that the RRO is the only option for now.
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Unread 07-27-2013, 11:44 AM   #22
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Hope the lift works out for you as well as mine did, and I used to pretty active on the "other" site as well. I'm mostly on here now for the Wrangler I have. How are the Falken tires with your lift? I ran Yokohama Geolander AT's and they were ok but BFG also makes a 17" in their All Terrains that I wish I would have gotten instead. Cost at the time was the deciding factor though.
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Unread 07-28-2013, 04:39 AM   #23
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The spacer lift and the spring lift put the exact same wear on the suspension parts. Ball joints on chryslers is a known issue, and MK's have them fail with and without a lift.
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Unread 07-30-2013, 10:07 AM   #24
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My lift from RRO was the first one installed on a 4x4 MK, even their test mule was a FWD Patriot. The only issue I've ever had was the anti-sway bar link that they redesigned and replace for free very early on. RRO had many disgruntled customers over their lifts for some other Jeeps but the one for the MKs does the job.

For pictures of lifts you can always go to the sticky: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f98/l...ed-mks-697051/
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Unread 08-01-2013, 09:55 AM   #25
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The person to benefit would be me lol. Since I asked in the first place. But thanks for all the info guys. I at least have to two companies to look into.
Sorry, I was referring to you

I've logged about 18, 000 KM on mine now. The only other complaint I have was some early noise in the rear - squeaks over every bump. All remedied with some graphite lube - info thanks to a few threads on here and jeep patriot .com

Can't tell from your profile how many miles you have on, but if you yank the struts/springs, take a quick look at your strut mount - I regret not swapping mine out now, so noisy.

Good luck no matter which you pick! you can see there is a world of help here!
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Unread 08-01-2013, 10:07 AM   #26
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I actually just bought it about a month ago. There is only 900 miles on it lol.
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Unread 12-01-2013, 12:14 AM   #27
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Hi, I used these guys, they deal specifically with jeep products
I purchased the 2" lift kit for my 2007 Compass, have had no problems
Fitted standard Monroe Sensa trac suspension with the supplied springs
Great aftermarket assistance
http://www.murchisonproducts.com.au
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