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Unread 12-09-2007, 03:00 PM   #106
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When I first got my Compass there were NO aftermarket filters available, period, so I had to rely on the factory filter. Up until then I had always used NAPA Gold and NAPA oil (private label Valvoline). The factory filter meets the requirements but doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best available. After having about 15 of my early years working for NAPA, including machine shop, inside and outside sales, I got to see a lot of "after" effects of what happens when you use inferior products along with the cut open views of many different filters. There is some real cheap junk out there on the market, you can trust me on that! Saving a couple of bucks on filters isn't worth it.

Since I change my oil EVERY 3000 miles I just don't see the need to go with a synthetic oil either, I'll still change it at 3K too, so why the extra expense?

I take mine to the dealer now-a-days because of the inconvenience of disposing of the used oil and because laying on the cold concrete or in the snow just doesn't appeal to me, I don't live in Tucson anymore.

I do keep a "back-up" filter and oil in the garage though, you guessed it both NAPA.

I think that it boils down to perceived value, availability and/or faith in a certain product.

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Unread 12-09-2007, 03:41 PM   #107
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why do so many of you use something 'other' than the OEM Mopar Oil Filter? Price? Availability? Doesn't come in the right color?

just curious....i've ALWAYS used factory filters, regardless if it were a Mopar, Toyota, Honda, Gm or Ford....
personal choice. what works for one person dont work for everyone. i know people that say fram is the best but then i also know people that prefer OEM. and the same goes for other brands. in the end its really all about personal choice.
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Unread 12-09-2007, 03:46 PM   #108
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personal choice. what works for one person dont work for everyone. i know people that say fram is the best but then i also know people that prefer OEM. and the same goes for other brands. in the end its really all about personal choice.
btw, how is your filter supply up there? OK since the dealer closed up?
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Unread 12-09-2007, 03:47 PM   #109
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not too bad, wally world is carrying mopar filters now.
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Unread 12-09-2007, 07:24 PM   #110
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not too bad, wally world is carrying mopar filters now.
yea, as a MOPAR dealer employee, i was wondering what's up with THAT?
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Unread 12-09-2007, 11:06 PM   #111
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yea, as a MOPAR dealer employee, i was wondering what's up with THAT?
well since the dealership closed im guessing there has been a big demand from people to beable to get mopar parts for our vehicles. im not complaining at all. as long as i get what i need at a decent price i dont really care where i buy it.
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Unread 12-11-2007, 02:51 PM   #112
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why do so many of you use something 'other' than the OEM Mopar Oil Filter? Price? Availability? Doesn't come in the right color?

just curious....i've ALWAYS used factory filters, regardless if it were a Mopar, Toyota, Honda, Gm or Ford....
You don't think that Chrysler (or Ford or GM or Toyota or whoever) actually makes their own filters, do you? They're all made by Purolator or Fram or Wix or whoever gives the best bid. The problem with buying any "OEM" filter is that it's a crap-shoot. You might get a re-badged Purolator (if you're lucky), but you might get a Fram (if your luck's run out). You'll probably also wind up paying more than you would for a good filter at Wal-Mart or Advance Auto Parts.
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Unread 12-18-2007, 08:21 PM   #113
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To all of you who use synthetic: exactly WHAT did you gain? Time between oil changes, better mileage, better compression, what??? I've never compared the differences side by side. Honestly, inquiring minds want to know and I want to know YOUR opinions! It's not all propaganda? If we believed everything we read, we'd all be driving shivies or toys!

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Gramps, I use the Synthetic oils to gain an extended drain interval for my vehicles. In this case my preference in brands is Amsoil. I am currently a dealer, but didn't start that way. I had been using the oils in my garden tractor pulling engines. The engines were being torn down for inspections and we found that the original hone marks were still there from the last freshening. Next Thing that convinced me were 3 pulling blocks left in an unheated garage, 1 was mine (used amsoil all season), 2 were not mine. They belonged to a buddy I pull with, he ran conventional oil. His blocks were both rusted mine was still shiny when we pulled them to take to the machine shop 60 days later! I was sold at that point. In my research of the product I discovered the extended drain intervals, started saving money and was a dealer before I knew it. I have a recently published white paper showing several brands of gear lubes ran through a series of tests. Mobil 1, Royal Purple and several others that cost significanly more including OEM oils with additives did not fair so well. Anyone wanting a copy of this should send me a PM and I will send a copy to an email address for you. Gramps, if I can get you any Info on this let me know I can talk all day about Amsoil.
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Unread 12-18-2007, 08:44 PM   #114
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And I'm the kind of gut who would sit there and listen to you all day . As I did say before - there are superior products out there. I've heard nothing but good things about Amsoil just as I believe that Marvel Mystery oil is a great additive. Things that bother me about extended life oils:

What happens to the contaminants that collect in the crank case - acids, moisture and other pollutants? Should you change the filter and not the oil like the military used to do (maybe still do)?

What about the manufactures warranty? This one really bothers me. They aren't about to say " oh, you can go 10,000 since it's synthetic."

What I really do like:

Less pollution with used oil.
Less frequent labor (I'm lazy)

I did work for a company that built laser particle counters (for you Trekkies we called they tricorders) and Detroit Diesel used our stuff to see actually how dirty the oil was before they changed it. Oil changes on big trucks are a not cheep nor is disposing of the dirty oil.
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Unread 12-18-2007, 08:51 PM   #115
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When I first got my Compass there were NO aftermarket filters available, period, so I had to rely on the factory filter. Up until then I had always used NAPA Gold and NAPA oil (private label Valvoline). The factory filter meets the requirements but doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best available. After having about 15 of my early years working for NAPA, including machine shop, inside and outside sales, I got to see a lot of "after" effects of what happens when you use inferior products along with the cut open views of many different filters. There is some real cheap junk out there on the market, you can trust me on that! Saving a couple of bucks on filters isn't worth it.

Since I change my oil EVERY 3000 miles I just don't see the need to go with a synthetic oil either, I'll still change it at 3K too, so why the extra expense?

I take mine to the dealer now-a-days because of the inconvenience of disposing of the used oil and because laying on the cold concrete or in the snow just doesn't appeal to me, I don't live in Tucson anymore.

I do keep a "back-up" filter and oil in the garage though, you guessed it both NAPA.

I think that it boils down to perceived value, availability and/or faith in a certain product.
Gramps, I'm really pickin' on you here! Sorry! If you are disposing of oil every 3000 miles, what if you switched to a Synthetic with a Synthetic media filter such as- o say Amsoil and an EAO filter, then change your oil every 25,000 miles or once a year. You would only have one disposal of 5 quarts versus 8 times that amount when changing at 3k miles.Thats nearly 10 gallons of oil that you are getting rid of. Sure the Amsoil cost more up front I won't argue that, but figure a dealership oil change at $25(cheap dealership oil change) multiplied by 8 (3k miles x 8= 24,000 miles)= $200.00. An Amsoil change with an EAO filter($15.30) and 5 quarts of their most expensive oil ($9.95) is going to be less than $66.00 if you buy at full retail. So now your "percieved value' has changed and the "extra expense" now has to be blamed on your dealer. This does not take into account the cost of disposal, the effects of the extra oil on the environment, or the fact that Amsoil is !00% American made and cuts down on our dependance on Foreign Oil. Sorry if I am pickin on your comments but everyone can benefit from a different perspective on things. And if you Become an Amsoil prefered customer you can buy the oil at Wholesale cost and save even more money! PM me I will get you headed in the right direction!
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Unread 12-18-2007, 09:04 PM   #116
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Oh, I don't mind being picked on. I've been around the block and even been run over a few times, too.

OK, you answered my "perceived value" question along with the waste and disposal problems but still, how about warranty coverage and just how good are these EAO filters? I'm sure others want to hear about those things too.
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Unread 12-18-2007, 09:12 PM   #117
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..... but still, how about warranty coverage and just how good are these EAO filters? I'm sure others want to hear about those things too.
GOOD QUESTION Gramps! just how will Mopar look at you changing your oil every 25K versus every 3 or 4K when it comes to their "Unlimited Lifetime Powertrain Warranty"? the owner is required to take the vehicle to the dealer at certain intervals to have it 'checked' and my guess is that they would FROWN on someone only changing their oil ONCE A YEAR!
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Unread 12-18-2007, 09:15 PM   #118
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The synthetic media filters like the EAO's have a material in them that will collect the particles. The 100% pure basestocks that Amsoil uses will not create the problems Acids Etc that you are worried about. The switch to Synthetic begins with The correct Engine flush procedure to get rid of the contaminents that come from conventionals. As for the manufacturers recomendations some of Our foreign manuf. are sending synthetics in the engines from the factory (bmw, Mercedes, even good ol' Chevy's puttin it in the Vettes). Then they recomend an extended drain. Some domestic cars have an oil change "meter" or "Guage" telling you when to change the oil and not before. As for the Warranty- Amsoil will stand behind the manufacturers warranty if their recomendations are followed.
The test you are talking about is still available. It includes a small sample bottle a way to pull the sample and a postage paid envelope to send it to an independent test lab. They send you the results and a recommendation Change, keep using etc. The lab won't lie to you.
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Unread 12-18-2007, 09:24 PM   #119
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I'm tempted but definitely need to sleep on it. You can either pm or email me. I get messages either way. Any cut open views of the filters that you can post or send? Maybe the "recommendations" that Amsoil says that I should follow?
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I'll get you some info 1st thing in the morning from a very fast downloading computer at work!!! Thanks for the good discussion.
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