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Unread 11-26-2006, 06:23 PM   #16
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I don't want to start a debate either, but i wouldn't recommend using the synithic blend. yes it is cheaper, but you don't gain much, compaired to getting the fully synthetic. just my two cents.

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Unread 11-27-2006, 04:08 PM   #17
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Funny....I used the "blend" in my old Liberty and still use it in my Dakota and have had good luck with it. Maybe not as good as the full synthetic but much better than "regular" oil. IMHO YMMV

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Unread 11-27-2006, 05:40 PM   #18
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To all of you who use synthetic: exactly WHAT did you gain? Time between oil changes, better mileage, better compression, what??? I've never compared the differences side by side. Honestly, inquiring minds want to know and I want to know YOUR opinions! It's not all propaganda? If we believed everything we read, we'd all be driving shivies or toys!

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Unread 11-27-2006, 05:49 PM   #19
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25 years, and 260K miles on Mobil 1 with BMW 320I. I'm convinced, but the guy with the GMC, or Chevy truck who changed is oil every 3000 miles, and got over a Million Miles with regular oil, that convinced me too. So not sure what is better, just keep changing that oil.

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PS: I plan to use Mobil 1 in the Caliber.
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Unread 11-27-2006, 06:37 PM   #20
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if the pice difference is not that much...then i guess i will keep it synethtic...
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Unread 11-28-2006, 06:45 AM   #21
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To all of you who use synthetic: exactly WHAT did you gain? Time between oil changes, better mileage, better compression, what??? I've never compared the differences side by side. Honestly, inquiring minds want to know and I want to know YOUR opinions! It's not all propaganda? If we believed everything we read, we'd all be driving shivies or toys!

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You mean other than a race-ready M3 motor that wasn't cooked by loosing the oil pan?

I have also gone to extended mileage intervals.

I change oil at:

5k or annually (whichever comes first) in the bikes (hey they are air cooled and live a harder life)
10k (or annually) in the Jeep and now I will in the Subaru
15-18k in the Mini Cooper (which works out to more often than annually) - interval varies with use and the oil life percentage monitor (a logarythmic function performed by the computer that uses temperatures and operating cycles and rpms as inputs to help determine oil life).

But I've seen oil analysis from domestic V6 motors that ran M1 for more than 17k miles and test results showed it was still good. So I'm probably STILL being ultra conservative.

I can't say about mileage because I change over to Snyths too early to be certain the increases have been from oil and not just plain old break in.

So what do I get from Synth.

1. CHEAP insurance.

2. FEWER oil changes


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Unread 11-28-2006, 06:52 AM   #22
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Thanks Kev!

That's what I was looking for . Anybody want to add to that?

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Unread 12-27-2006, 08:20 AM   #23
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check this out

the same filter is used on a 2006 corvette according to the k&n website also many other gm cars & jeeps!!
http://www.knfilters.com/search/appl...x?Prod=HP-1017


the dealer has been hounding me with letters and phone calls to service my compass, called to find out when i could bring it in, 5 day waiting list plus a appointment needed! well my wife brings it in on the appointment date, 2 hours later i call her where are you? the dealer does not have a oil filter in stock! waiting to get from another local dealer! another hour later finally done, nice thing was the dealer did not charge us,
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Unread 12-27-2006, 08:26 AM   #24
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the same filter is used on a 2006 corvette according to the k&n website also many other gm cars & jeeps!!
http://www.knfilters.com/search/appl...x?Prod=HP-1017


the dealer has been hounding me with letters and phone calls to service my compass, called to find out when i could bring it in, 5 day waiting list plus a appointment needed! well my wife brings it in on the appointment date, 2 hours later i call her where are you? the dealer does not have a oil filter in stock! waiting to get from another local dealer! another hour later finally done, nice thing was the dealer did not charge us,
I was concerned about availability on my trip, bought a spare before I left and it's still in the boot.

I've set up 2 of my oil changes in the Jeep.com website and once just took it in bright and early on a Saturday morning and I've been able to get right through except for the window fix.
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Unread 12-27-2006, 12:39 PM   #25
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DON'T USE FRAM.

They will NEVER regain my trust.

Actually, I just use OE, safest bet.

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From what I've seen lately on the Net Fram is not a good filter to use on anything. I wonder why. I though they used to be one of the better filters to use. I'll have to remember when the time comes, I'll make SURE my dealer has oil filters in stock for the Compass (I have two free changes due me).

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Unread 01-16-2007, 05:41 PM   #26
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Oil Filters, Dealers and Oil Changes

I took my Compass in for a 30 day "checkup" at my dealer this past weekend. When I was checking out with the service department they wanted to let me know that when I bring my compass in for it's 3000 mile oil change what it woudl cost. I was quite surprised when they told me that an oil change would be $60 due to the "extra special 5w20 oil that the engine uses". I just went along with it and picked up my car, but for the life of me I can't see why an oil change would be that much.
I have seen that there is a fellow who frequents this forum who is a DC technician. I hope he can shed some light on this, is there a real reason or am I just getting a snow job.
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Unread 01-16-2007, 05:48 PM   #27
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WOW! Almost everything is going 5W20 on later cars, it's nothing special! My first oil change was in Albuquerque with 5W20 for $30 and the two other times since I've been home same price. They gotta be feedin' you a line! I'd either talk to the Service Manager or find a different dealer.
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Unread 01-16-2007, 06:31 PM   #28
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Thanks for the input Gramps.... That's pretty much what I figured. I'm planning to give the service manager a call this week to hear his explanation for the high price tag.

It must be some pretty special oil!
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Unread 01-17-2007, 02:53 AM   #29
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Chances are that the dealer does not stock 5w-20 in their bulk tank since the majority of vehicles they service require 10W-30. They pass the added cost for the non-bluk purchace on to you. Any API SM 5W-20 will do you fine. Why not spend $20.00 or less and do it youself?
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Unread 01-17-2007, 04:30 AM   #30
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Not sure how big your Dealer is but even the little oil change place (not part of a National chain) in my little town of about 5000 has the 5W20 in bulk.

If you do decide to DIY I'd stick with the factory filter. See this thread:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326109

I just checked and the WIX/NAPA are still not available.

Also, I was skimming threw the owners manual again and see that all of the Compass' with A/C have the air filtration system (optional on Caliber) and that filter is supposed to be changed at the 12K oil change. That one is coming up on mine in about a month and I don't feel that I've run the A/C enough to change it yet. It goes through the A/C only and not the heater. Any opinions on that?
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