Originally Posted by JOJOJEEP
I was at the dealer today, picking up hubby's truck after service, and they had a Patriot sitting out front. I haven't taken the time to read all the postings in this thread so forgive me if I restate what's already been said.
I'm glad I bought the Compass. Of course I like the Patriot, it's the same thing pretty much as my Compass, except it's boxier. Same engine, same interior (exactly). I didn't drive it. It looks heavier, maybe because of the boxiness. I imagine if it is heavier it would be kind of doggy. How much can a four cylinder carry? I can see why the "traditional" jeep buyer would consider the Patriot over the Compass, it reminded me of my mom's old Cherokee. I don't understand why the minor differences, like 0.5" more clearance than the Compass (if that's right) make it "trail rated". But like I've said before, most trail rated Jeeps have never seen a trail anyway. My old Matrix probably saw more trails, and that was a lot lower than both. I don't see the basis of the positive press for the Patriot, or should I say the negative of the Compass, but whatever. If you see something you want to drive and you are capable of buying, do it. When I bought my first car back in 92, I wouldn't buy a first year car, it was Saturn back then. Now a days I think they're all the same anyway. No such thing as first year, just another vehicle changed up a bit. The Patriot looks more traditional Jeep, but it's a Compass, maybe a bit more room (and weight).
What's the weight difference anyway? I know the Compass weighs maybe 600 more lbs than my Matrix did, but the Matrix had a 1.8 rather than a 2.4. What about the Liberty, whats that weigh? And that has a 4.2L?
In trying to comparing apples to apples there seems to be only a 13 Lbs difference between the Compass and Patriot. Not much consistent info on the Patriot yet. The Compass hits the scales between 3089 - 3351 depending on configuration so they are in the same general weight category. So far the Patriot has been perceived
as being lower and heavier but it's neither.
The FD I package in either gives you the same GC of 8.5 inches, The FD II package (Trail Rated) gives you 9” threw programming changes that improves the articulation, a change in shocks and possibly some suspension parts along with a reinforced rear lateral support to the chassis. Also see below.
Just because the Patriot can be ordered as Trail Rated doesn’t mean that it is. I see where several owners have stayed with the FD I either because they didn’t want the CVT2L or because they didn’t feel the need for the FD II package. I think that only reinforces the point that most 4WD never go off-road, at least not to the point of doing the Rubicon and the like.
Continuously Var. Trans w/Off-Road Crawl Ratio $1,050.00
Includes: CVT2L - second-generation continuously variable transaxle with low range, 19:1 overall crawl ratio, Skid Plates, Tow Hooks, 17-Inch Aluminum Wheels and All-Terrain Tires, Full-Size Spare Tire, Fog Lamps, Manual Seat Height Adjuster, Hill-Descent Control, Off-Road Brake Traction Control (vs. standard Brake Traction Control), +1 inch Ground Clearance vs. non-Trail Rated (FWD) versions, 19” Water Fording Capability, 29.6-degree approach angle, 34.2-degree departure angle and 23.3-degree breakover angle, Heavy Duty Engine and Trans Oil Coolers w/high output Electric Fans, Heavy Duty Alternator, A/C Air Filer and other structural and calibration enhancements to meet off-road driving requirements
Freedom Drive II Off-Road Group $725.00
Height-Adjustable Driver's Seat
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
Full-Size Spare Tire
Transmission/Engine Oil Pan Skid Plate
It looks like the latest version of the Libby comes with a 3.7 V-6 and, depending on which model, can be had with either a 4 Speed Auto or 6 Speed Manual. Curb weight checks in at 3850 – 4155 Lbs depending on configuration.