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post #76 of 119 Old 02-26-2007, 02:05 PM
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and before we get back on track, read my post in the suggestions forum.
it almost made sense when i posted it.
havent checked to see if it still makes sense though... i just woke up.

Back on track, there are still no patriots at any jeep dealer in new mexico or west texas.
But since i'm in el paso, i might have to take a compass off-roading.
If i do, i'll take my camera.


Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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post #77 of 119 Old 02-27-2007, 04:42 AM
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Please stick to tech issues.

I was simply having a convo. with someone and you feel a need to single me out? What's with that? Gramps, you yourself have had some Non-tech posts in this very thread. Jeez.
captain_ruggy,

I am singling you out this time just to apologize. You were NOT slandering, harassing or doing any off-topic bickering. That being said, I don't see where we can't have "spirited discussions" as long as we stay on topic and wandering off topic shouldn't be a problem either as long as it's not bickering.

As long as we police ourselves and nobody gets their panties in a bunch we should be OK. Just no Anybody else see it that way?

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thats exactly how i see it.
and i like that icon.

and maybe some compass off-roading today.

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Patriot Build and Price Update

Now the B&P makes more sense!!

http://www.jeep.com/en/patriot/index.html

Just added:

Continuously Var. Trans w/Off-Road Crawl Ratio $1,050.00


Includes: CVT2L - second-generation continuously variable transaxle with low range, 19:1 overall crawl ratio, Skid Plates, Tow Hooks, 17-Inch Aluminum Wheels and All-Terrain Tires, Full-Size Spare Tire, Fog Lamps, Manual Seat Height Adjuster, Hill-Descent Control, Off-Road Brake Traction Control (vs. standard Brake Traction Control), +1 inch Ground Clearance vs. non-Trail Rated versions, 19” Water Fording Capability, 29.6-degree approach angle, 34.2-degree departure angle and 23.3-degree breakover angle, Heavy Duty Engine and Trans Oil Coolers w/high output Electric Fans, Heavy Duty Alternator, A/C Air Filer and other structural and calibration enhancements to meet off-road driving requirements


Freedom Drive II Off-Road Group $725.00

Air Filtering
Height-Adjustable Driver's Seat
Fog Lamps
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
Full-Size Spare Tire
Tow Hooks
Transmission/Engine Oil Pan Skid Plate

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yes, that makes alot more sense now.

hmm. , that brings my price up about $500 total. i can delete the full size spare option now, which is about 120.

Still well doable.
Yay.

I think i'll go build one now and see.

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$22,195 with destination.

Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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Gramps, no problem. It just seemed for a second there that you were starting trouble. It's all good now.

Gramps how is your CVT tranny holding up? I test drove a caliber a while back and liked the vehicle overall. But I have a buddy that is a mechanic at a Dodge dealership. He told me to stay away for the first year or so cuz they were having a lot of calls on the trannsmissions. I don't know what the problems were that they were having, but I was concerned about the durabilty of it. I usually use my vehicles until they are ready for the scrapyard, and wouldn't want something that wouldn't hold up long term. Do they also take special tranny fluid? thanks in advance.

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Gramps, no problem. It just seemed for a second there that you were starting trouble. It's all good now.

Gramps how is your CVT tranny holding up? I test drove a caliber a while back and liked the vehicle overall. But I have a buddy that is a mechanic at a Dodge dealership. He told me to stay away for the first year or so cuz they were having a lot of calls on the trannsmissions. I don't know what the problems were that they were having, but I was concerned about the durabilty of it. I usually use my vehicles until they are ready for the scrapyard, and wouldn't want something that wouldn't hold up long term. Do they also take special tranny fluid? thanks in advance.
Trying to prevent trouble. It just didn't come out that way.

I hate to sound like a broken record (remember those?), but no problems with it here. I did ask the Service Tech about the "new" CVT when I was looking into the Caliber and they were telling me that they were expecting at least 150 K out of them. Also not rebuildable at that time and a replacement would go for about $1500. That's what I spent on having my last Torqueflite rebuild with only 80 K on it. Yes on the special tranny fluid, too. May still be dealer only item. I haven't had to add any.


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150k would be pretty good. I hope they hold up. Do they build a lot of heat? I think if they do well CVT trannys might show up in more vehicles. The one i test drove seemed to shift hard, is this a noraml feel for them?

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150k would be pretty good. I hope they hold up. Do they build a lot of heat? I think if they do well CVT trannys might show up in more vehicles. The one i test drove seemed to shift hard, is this a noraml feel for them?

Without a temp gauge I can't answer the heat question. Maybe brandon can help on that one.

Both the Trailer Tow Prep and the FD II for the Patriot come with a engine cooler (corrected thanks to decimon ). I will more than likely be adding the cooler later on. Just being 'over protective" again.

Driving normally mine shifts pretty softly, when I get into it it shifts harder. Still nothing like a T-flite with 3.91 gears . Were they hard upshifts or downshifts? If you're going slow and had just dropped down and then get into it, it can give you a hard upshift. Or if your going slow and get into it, it can drop down pretty hard. This was something that Lynn brought up in an earlier thread. That kind of hard shift is normal and characteristic of these CVT's.

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Back on track...
I saw my first Patriot the other day. It was up on rails for display.
Maybe it was the angle, but it didn't look like I had expected. I liked it, but I'm not sold on it over the Compass.

To be fair, I think I'll get a better picture when I see one down on the road. Can't wait.
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Does anyone know anything about this "version" of the Patriot?

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/jeep/je...t-ar15380.html

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Does anyone know anything about this "version" of the Patriot?

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/jeep/je...t-ar15380.html
Built by DC Tech. See this thread:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f98/lifted-jeep-patriot-sweet-336227/

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Both the Trailer Tow Prep and the FD II for the Patriot come with a tranny cooler.
According to the Jeep site, the Trailer Tow Prep Group includes an engine oil cooler and not a tranny cooler.
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Yup, you're right. Thanks for the catch! I've edited that post to correct it for others.

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