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Unread 02-13-2007, 03:54 PM   #46
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An intresting review of the Patriot. For what it was designed to do it does
very well.

http://www.expeditionwest.com/equipm...riot/index.htm



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Unread 02-13-2007, 05:27 PM   #47
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thanks for the post, it's about to get read, but from the picture, it looks intresting.

when i get my patriot, we're likely trading in the wife's 2wd pathfinder (if we still have it by then) and making the patriot the family DD, so i can build up the cherokee.

But its nice to know its capable of getting me to my camping spots... gotta start the kid off young, y'know.
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Unread 02-13-2007, 05:48 PM   #48
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to Eddo for finding that review and another for the Patriot. Ya gotta read the article!
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Unread 02-13-2007, 06:41 PM   #49
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yeah, that was a awesome review
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Unread 02-14-2007, 09:41 AM   #50
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Wow, the Patriot looks good. I like the Cherokee-like styling.
Hmmm, since I'm leasing my Compass, does anyone want to venture a guess as to whether or not my dealer would let me trade? Not that I don't like my Compass, but I really regret not having 4WD. (I needed a car asap when I got it, and the pickings were slim to none).
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Unread 02-17-2007, 04:44 PM   #51
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The dealer finally had one in today. It hadn't been prepped yet but I did get to set in it. Visibility is better than the Compass with the more rectangular rear and side windows and since the windshield is more vertical that the Compass' the pillars seemed to be slightly smaller.

I've also been digging around on the Freedom drive II set up and here is a brief synopsis.


Without getting too deep into “Trail Rated” specifications that really are set by this group:

"Jeep Tail-Rated" signifies that the vehicles have passed offroad testing by the Nevada Automotive Test Center (NATC) -- which evaluates vehicles for traction, ground clearance, offroad articulation and water fording.

See: http://www.natc-ht.com/V_TRCS.htm

and as Jeep sees them:

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/gi/dyna...om/trailrated/


They are discussed in somewhat more detail over here:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...ht=trail+rated

Jeep pays for this testing and uses it in their advertising to there advantage. This does not mean that just because a certain Jeep (not just the Compass or Patriot) is not “Trail Rated” that it can’t do any offroading. If your offroading is less than required to take on the Rubicon or similar “trail” then a “Trail Rated badge” is nothing more than a badge but it doesn’t mean that you can’t go off road. Like anything else, common sense should prevail. For probably 95% of all 4X4 owners its only adds bragging rights but serves no practical function.

What I’ve found that the Patriot Freedom Drive II package gives you over the Compass/Patriot Freedom Drive I is an extra 1/2" of ground clearance, different programming for the standard CVT that enables a 19:1 low range instead of 14:1 (when in “L”, the AutoStick does not have “L”), hill descent control, off-road tuned traction control. Mechanically it adds longer suspension travel, skid plates, tow hooks, engine oil cooler, lower body sealing and possibly a larger radiator.
When talking with the service techs at the dealer today, they said that the only additional water fording parts were that of a “snorkle” for the air cleaner. The sales reps were not even aware of a “Trail Rated” package at all for the Patriot.
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Unread 02-17-2007, 05:59 PM   #52
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The dealer finally had one in today. It hadn't been prepped yet but I did get to set in it.

- Every time someone says this i run off to jeep.com and check all dealers within 200 miles of me, plus back home.
Still no damn patriots.

- old people set. my generation sits. the youngins crawl in and check out the system.

ok, back to reading your post. I didnt get past the second sentance.
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Unread 02-17-2007, 06:01 PM   #53
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...Like anything else, common sense should prevail. For probably 95% of all 4X4 owners its only adds bragging rights but serves no practical function.
...
Ok here i go again.
- Yes, one would think... but this is America. We've got our common sense bred out over the generations.
- Oh no, theres a practical function. It defies the laws of gravity, physics and inertia. It also makes the brakes function better and decreases the IQ of the driver... i mean i know you've been out in the recent snowstorms, right?

Hey, i got to the middle of his post this time...
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Ok. Now. Real content.
I've been meaning to ask this to a salesminion when i actually find a patriot in stock, but its worth askin' now.

Why, when i spec out a patriot on jeep.com, can i not select the FD II as an option?
Its sport 2wd or 4wd, limited 2wd or 4wd. And further, when i choose a tranny, i get to choose stick, cvt or cvt with low range...
I need to know a better picture of how much my specific one will run me so i can have a savings goal for the summer or fall when its time to get one.
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Unread 02-17-2007, 06:14 PM   #55
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Ok. Now. Real content.
I've been meaning to ask this to a salesminion when i actually find a patriot in stock, but its worth askin' now.

Why, when i spec out a patriot on jeep.com, can i not select the FD II as an option?
Its sport 2wd or 4wd, limited 2wd or 4wd. And further, when i choose a tranny, i get to choose stick, cvt or cvt with low range...
I need to know a better picture of how much my specific one will run me so i can have a savings goal for the summer or fall when its time to get one.
Choose "Sport or Limited", "4X4", color, "Continuously Var. Trans w/Off-Road Crawl Ratio" (that is the FD II package) and that should get you where you want to go.
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Great, thats what i was doing, however, the skid plate pkg and 17 inch wheels/as tires are still seems to be optional.

I'm doing sport 4wd, dark blue, sport pkg E, cvt with crawl, but its still coming up as no skids, 16 inchers

edit: Still coming under 22k with destination... thats going to make me happy.... actually, delete the wheel and tire package and the fogs, and its 21k exactly.
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Unread 02-17-2007, 08:40 PM   #57
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Great, thats what i was doing, however, the skid plate pkg and 17 inch wheels/as tires are still seems to be optional.

I'm doing sport 4wd, dark blue, sport pkg E, cvt with crawl, but its still coming up as no skids, 16 inchers

edit: Still coming under 22k with destination... thats going to make me happy.... actually, delete the wheel and tire package and the fogs, and its 21k exactly.
I don't see the skids either but the 17x6.5 are on the "options" page, click on "more options" down in the lower left corner and expand it and you'll see

Tire and wheel group (details - 17X6.5)
P205/70R16 Black sidewall all season.

Since the only difference in the transmission is programming, the $1050 is for the skids, engine cooler, and suspension? Sounds reasonable. If you only check the CVT, the Trailer Tow prep is $130; if you check the FD II package, then the Trailer Tow Prep drops to $50 (the wiring harness presumably, over the counter they are $85 or so when I last checked) because the cooler is included in the FD II package.

The only thing that I see is a package D for the Sport and a F for the Limited ? What's up with that? How did you get an E package to show up?
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Unread 02-17-2007, 09:10 PM   #58
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i mean i know you've been out in the recent snowstorms, right?..
We must have just been bouncing back and forth, I just caught this one. I actually think its because of a "brain freeze flashback" from downing a frozen margarita the other day!
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Unread 02-17-2007, 10:49 PM   #59
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That metal accent insert on bumpers is really awful.
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That's only on the Limited and just paint, not an insert.
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