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Unread 01-29-2007, 07:49 PM   #31
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My concern was only with the transmission, that's why I specified the CVT2 and CVT2L. I do fully understand that there is a lot more that goes into the package. I did read the article before I posted the link to it. Thanks much for the hardware info from wikipedia!

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Unread 01-29-2007, 08:13 PM   #32
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If you go to Jeep.com and build/price a Patriot, I don't think there is a difference in price from the FD1 w/CVT to the FD2. This simple software modification that alters the CVT might be the reason they are priced the same.
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Unread 01-29-2007, 08:19 PM   #33
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You're right about that and I did find that very interesting, now I understand why. When I mod something I first gather ALL of the necessary pieces. I at least have the transmission. It's a start!
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Unread 01-30-2007, 08:20 AM   #34
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FYI:

I just did a dealer search on Jeep.com. Found 2 dealers with Patriot inventory. zip 61008, Belvidere IL and zip 61125, Rockford IL.
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Unread 01-30-2007, 02:40 PM   #35
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I actually like the styling of the Patriot over my Compass. True...but hey, I was in need of a new vehicle when I bought the Compass, and I could not have waited.

That said, there are aspects of the Compass that I like more. The front end is much cooler on the Compass. All the negative comments I've read about that front are what I actually like about it. As for the Patriot, I too prefer the standard door handles.
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The lease on my girlfriend's Ford Escape was up last month and we have been desparately waiting for the Patriot to arrive in California. Finally found one in Nevada and made a road trip over the weekend to pick it up.

Anyone looking for a small SUV with good gas mileage, this is the one. So far we are very impressed with the outside look as well as the luxuries available on the inside. If you don't want to give up the classic Cherokee look, the Patriot hits it right on the mark.

Very impressed.
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Unread 02-06-2007, 09:29 PM   #37
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I remember seeing you compare this and that ever since this board was created, still haven't made up your mind yet?

Now on subject, how likely is it that you, or anyone for that matter, would take a patriot offroad? So the locking differential is a moot point. Will you tow anything that would require low range with that thing? So the addition of a TC is moot as well. As far as water fording is concerned, I doubt there are any difference between the two, consider your real limiting point is your intake, and the two share the same engine.
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Now on subject, how likely is it that you, or anyone for that matter, would take a patriot offroad?
Intentionally, or unintentionally?

Just out of curiousity, anyone know what percentage of Wrangler owners EVER take their vehicles offroad? I think that more than a few are purchased in the event that one needs to get back ON road than intentionally going OFF of it.
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Now on subject, how likely is it that you, or anyone for that matter, would take a patriot offroad? .
i intend on it... in fact, i'm hoping that the dealer in el paso will have one in stock next month when we drive down there to show the new baby off to family.
i have a buddy who works at the dodge/jeep dealer there and we used to "test drive" alot of cars on slow weekends.

i remember one time taking a brand new power wagon out and getting it muddy as heck, they put it up on their fake rock display so its visable from the highway... was sold in 2 days.
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Intentionally, or unintentionally?

Just out of curiousity, anyone know what percentage of Wrangler owners EVER take their vehicles offroad? I think that more than a few are purchased in the event that one needs to get back ON road than intentionally going OFF of it.
Just FYI.

I intend on taking my Compass off road, like for camping and a few other "trails" (not Rubicon) where the mini-vans would fear to tread. I don't have to climb rocks to have fun, just get away from the crowd!
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i intend on it... in fact, i'm hoping that the dealer in el paso will have one in stock next month when we drive down there to show the new baby off to family.
i have a buddy who works at the dodge/jeep dealer there and we used to "test drive" alot of cars on slow weekends.

i remember one time taking a brand new power wagon out and getting it muddy as heck, they put it up on their fake rock display so its visable from the highway... was sold in 2 days.
Yeah well it's different when it ain't yours.

Gramps, how is a compass any more capable than a minivan with awd, or a subaru station wagon?
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i guess thats where the saying "drive it like you rented it" came from.

i want a patriot.
i'll very likely take a serious test drive of one when the new mexico lots get them in stock.
and by serious, i mean take her out for 3-4 hours with the whole family, put the car seat in, drive it on all the terrain that i have around me... urban city streets, long stretches of highway, mountain roads, some dirt trails, thru drive thrus and parking lots.
Really get a feel for the vehicle.
Test drive's like that make dealers feel nervous though, more time you spend in it, more things that can go wrong.
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Yeah well it's different when it ain't yours.

Gramps, how is a compass any more capable than a minivan with awd, or a subaru station wagon?
I had heard it as "Drive it like you stole it" but that's another story...


The difference would be primarily ground clearance. Another is the 4 wheel lock and the ability to turn off certain features of ESP. To me it sits up higher for a more SUV feel. The minivan is bigger (too big) and I don't see that well out of them, I just don't like the way they "feel". The little AWD wagons are OK but don't have the same storage layout and cost a lot more for the features that I have. It's really just personal and prejudicial, I admit to that!

I'll also add that the Compass' off road capabilities are NOT the main reason that I have one but I am recognising it's potential. It may be limited but it's still there, not Rubicon, more Rally, not for competition, for my pleasure. Like nearly all truly off road Jeeps haven't been left "stock", my Compass may well lend itself to modifications to fit my specific needs.
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Having driven a Dodge Caravan AWD as a company vehicle - I've taken it camping and fishing when we were entertaining clients - I wholeheartedly agree with the ground clearance difference. I've yet to have anything scrape the bottom of my Compass.

Second, the size of the Compass makes it better at manuvering trails that are sometimes overgrown with brush and have rocks jutting into them. In this case, bigger is NOT better, IMHO.

Third, the center of gravity seems lower than in the Caravan. Nice feeling of security when the trail is angled 20 degrees from left to right, and there is no other way to get where you are going.

On the highway - and here we usually have to travel highways before we get to the trail - the Caravan is a handful in crosswinds. Not so for the Compass. I'm right on the Oklahoma border, and there is a line in the song "Oklahoma" - "where the wind comes sweeping down the plains." Drive a minivan down I-44 or I-40 in the spring and you'll discover that "sweeping" is putting it mildly!

Finally, it's a JEEP. It just looks better at a campsite...that accounts for something, doesn't it?
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Patriot pictures are here:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...=1#post3301551

TrailHawk pictures are here:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...95#post3301495

2 sets of pics for each, scroll up when you get there.
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