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Unread 08-24-2006, 08:50 PM   #16
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I tend to stick with not buying the first run of any car myself,but it's hard not to.I can't fault anyone for being excited about a new vehicle and wanting to purchase one.I think the main problem for the 1st run is that until you see the average person drive day in and day out you can't know about these problems.While testing they may drive 100,000 miles,but the hood is popped everyday,oil is changed monthly,gas is always fresh,computer is tuned perfect and so on,,,,lets face it as much as we like the idea this isn't real world for most of us.It's not always a problem,but some people take the leap and have no issues,and some of us get burned,,,me included (wifes new model 2001 neon )

That being said back to the original question.I have driven the compass and liked it,the power is a little shy w/cvt (stick would be perfect) but not to bad..about what you expect from a 4 cylinder in this size vehicle.All and all I was pleased it does what it is intended to do,comfortable,fuel efficient,entry level suv.Not a grand cherokee,but also not $30,000 and 15mpg.

I am waiting for the patriot now though.The styling of the compass is a little drastic for me personaly and the patriot looks more like my old xj.I don't expect this to be a hard core off road vehicle so I'm not going trail rated,just standard 4x4 w,stick and a good locker.The wheeling will be mild,I know the engine is more power than my 2.4 (150 hp) wrangler had,but it is a high revving 172hp and not really great on the torque bottomside.
Right off hand I'm thinking good air intake,plugs,wires,free flowing exhaust,the lowest gears they offer (4.10) good locker,mild 2-3"lift w,31" at's would be perfect for me,,,,,,,not that I've thought about it though

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Unread 08-24-2006, 08:53 PM   #17
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I admit to being split down the middle on which I prefer. Having bought new tow Cherokee's you would think I would hands down go for the Patriot but for what the vehicle platform provides the more rounded Compass fits better to me. I still would have to have a much better looking front end before I personally would buy one and I really prefer the regular door handles that the Patriot has. I guess I'm saying I want a mix of the two. Compass with the FD II package of the Patriot but with some cosmetic work. Till then I'll keep my Cherokee. Ultimately I want a diesel powered, 5 speed automatic, full time/part time transfer case soft top with half doors 4 door Wrangler. Sorry for going off topic.
ahh, what was the topic? Oh yeah, Patriot v. Compass. First let me say that I'm glad that I don't have to choose. I'm very happy with my Compass for my own reasons and I would make the same choice again (maybe ). Really no complaints. Here are some minuscule differences between the Compass Limited 4X4 and Patriot Limited 4X4:

Overall length Patriot +.2"
Width Patriot -.2"
Height Patriot +.2"
Ground Clearance Patriot +.5
Headroom Patriot +.1
Front Hip Room Patriot -1.7
Rear Head Room Patriot -.6
Rear Leg Room +.3
Cargo Vol (rear Seats Up) Patriot +1.1 cu ft
Rear Seats Down Patriot +1.7 cu ft
Interior Vol Patriot +9.8 cu ft

otherwise all of the dimensions appear the same, seats and dash are the same.
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Unread 08-24-2006, 08:57 PM   #18
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yea just go to the commander forum and there at least 3 or 4 threads for stalling. dealer doesn't know what to do. its too dangerous to drive around with it stalling at unexpected times so we are trading it in for a jetta.
I did as you suggested. Sounds like they're chasing a ghost! Did you have your computer flashed?
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Unread 08-25-2006, 10:58 AM   #19
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II guess I'm saying I want a mix of the two. Compass with the FD II package of the Patriot but with some cosmetic work. Till then I'll keep my Cherokee. Ultimately I want a diesel powered, 5 speed automatic, full time/part time transfer case soft top with half doors 4 door Wrangler. Sorry for going off topic.

Me too, on the diesel.

A diesel wrangler unlimited with a 5-speed would just be AWESOME.

I HAD been planning on a Diesel Libby, but I wasn't paying enough attention and didn't realize it was an old Daimler motor and was going out of production.

And I'm encouraged by the Diesel GC they're promising for 08, but mileage just isn't enough at 19/23



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Unread 08-25-2006, 11:04 AM   #20
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On the first run vehicle thing, I could care less... I've bought the following first and second runs over my life

Saturn - SC2 second year, but first with airbag
Subaru - Forrester, first run, heck ordered it before the dealer knew it was coming out
WJ - 99 Quadra-Drive!
Mini Cooper S - second year in the US, of course it was out a couple years prior overseas

Fuel Injected Harley Road King - first year
Rubbermounted Harley Sportster - first AND second years

Honestly, I don't think A SINGLE one of thise had a teething pain I can recall.



Gramps, the measurement difference between the Patriot and Compass are all RCHs... really insignificant (so far).

I guess it ALL seems to boil down to only 2 things.


1. Freedom Drive II - which I wouldn't get cause I want a stick

and

2. Styling

I have yet to confirm an option that is available on one that isn't on the other (besides FDII and the wheel sizes). Maybe tow hooks on the Patriot.


These are non-issues for me, so it's gonna be which one I dig more. And I don't know if I'm going to wait long enough to see the Patriot first. But we'll see.

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Unread 08-25-2006, 07:28 PM   #21
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I did as you suggested. Sounds like they're chasing a ghost! Did you have your computer flashed?
people said they did and that didnt help. so we are just getting rid of it
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Unread 08-26-2006, 12:20 PM   #22
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Good info bubba.
Plus the limited Compasses all come with 18 in. wheels, for whatever additional clearance that might add. Kev
The maximum tire size for the platform is 27.9" or 709mm, and that's the Patriot off road/trail rated tire. I believe the 18" limited wheel and tire package on the Compass is 27.3" OD or 693mm.

Biggest wheel doesn't mean biggest OD tire.
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Unread 08-27-2006, 05:08 PM   #23
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Biggest wheel doesn't mean biggest OD tire.

Good point, but the last thing I need is a huge wheel with low profile tires...
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Unread 08-31-2006, 12:47 PM   #24
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Kinda pisses me off that they won't offer FDII with a manual.

I've kinda resigned myself to the fact that I'd have to have a Jeep with no low-range if I got one.

Mine, however, would be a replacement for a '97 Sentra as the DD. I have a TJ to bang around off-road.
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Unread 09-06-2006, 07:35 PM   #25
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we took a risk on buying the 2006 commander as i have stated before and it has a terrible stalling problems that could cause a major problem. this vehicle is not even a year old. I hope they improved their methods from then to now
It seems the 1.8 liter Caliber has a stalling problem as well but mostly at idle or takeoff.
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Unread 09-12-2006, 06:56 AM   #26
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If the platforms are so similar are the suspension and steering components interchangeable? ie would a lift kit for the patriot also lift the compass? The compass could be a fun rally style "car" given a bit of TLC...
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Unread 01-29-2007, 08:13 AM   #27
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Just read on another site that there are about 20 of the Patriots down at the Glendale AZ test area to be taken to the 4 peaks area for off road tests. Initial feedback was really positive.

Also read that there is a 3" lift kit in the works for it (aftermarket), may be a bolt on or slight mod to fit the Compass.

Good info here too:

http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/patriot.html


Just for fun. Stolen from another site.
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Unread 01-29-2007, 05:04 PM   #28
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Kinda pisses me off that they won't offer FDII with a manual.
The FDII is just a program telling the CVT to keep itself at the lowest need of it's range. Keeping the manual in first gear is the same thing except first gear in the manual isn't a 19:1 ratio.
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Unread 01-29-2007, 05:38 PM   #29
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The FDII is just a program telling the CVT to keep itself at the lowest need of it's range. Keeping the manual in first gear is the same thing except first gear in the manual isn't a 19:1 ratio.
Are you saying that this is just reprogramming with the right software to turn a CVT2 into a CVT2L or is there a hardware (transmission) change too? Nothing is ever THAT easy, is it?
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Unread 01-29-2007, 07:43 PM   #30
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Freedom Drive II

Freedom Drive II uses the same hardware as the FDI system but adds a continuously variable transmission to provide the benefits of a 19:1 low-range transfer case for off-road use. FDII also adds hill descent control, off-road tuned traction control, and electronic stability program. The Patriot with FDII will also feature longer suspension travel, skid plates, tow hooks, and a full-size spare tire. This enables the FDII-equipped Patriot to wear the Trail Rated badge from Jeep. Trail Rated Jeep vehicles are capable of driving the full length of the Rubicon Trail without any modifications.
As taken from Wikipedia.com.....

I will also add off-road brakes and a cooling system....though I'll let you research the articles that provide proof of this.

Lets not over-simplify the differences here.
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