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post #16 of 23 Old 08-09-2006, 06:27 PM
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I'm looking forward to seeing how the Patriot fits into the line up...will it be rugged, or more highway geared, like the Compass?[/QUOTE]

I'm looking forward to the Patriot too. Wife needs to replace her GC in the next couple of years and with the price of gas going the way it is... But it will never see off the road unless I'm driving and the wife has had a Valum.

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I'm looking forward to seeing how the Patriot fits into the line up...will it be rugged, or more highway geared, like the Compass?
I'm looking forward to the Patriot too. Wife needs to replace her GC in the next couple of years and with the price of gas going the way it is... But it will never see off the road unless I'm driving and the wife has had a Valum. [/QUOTE]

It would be nice if it was somewhat a cross between Cherokee (XJ) ruggedness, with the modern technologies and luxuries found in the Compass. However, I think it's going to be more of a cross between the Commander and Compass...more geared towards the on the road fans. Actually I don't think I've ever gone off road, lol, but I just like the tougher off-road looking cars.
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I feel too that Jeep finally made something that meets my requirements, like staying on the road!
With all due respect, if staying on the road is a main requirement, why would you have ever wanted a Jeep at all? I don't understand why people who are into cars would even consider a vehicle, however carlike like the Compass, that's so heavily associated with rough-and-tumble off-road trucks. Seems like a major conflict of interest to me.

I think that Jeep needs a compass, but only to direct them back on the right path and away from badge-engineered cars that will ultimately dumb down the brand.
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With all due respect, if staying on the road is a main requirement, why would you have ever wanted a Jeep at all? I don't understand why people who are into cars would even consider a vehicle, however carlike like the Compass, that's so heavily associated with rough-and-tumble off-road trucks. Seems like a major conflict of interest to me.

I think that Jeep needs a compass, but only to direct them back on the right path and away from badge-engineered cars that will ultimately dumb down the brand.
I never said that staying on the road was my only purpose just a primary one. If 95% of 4X4 never go off the road, what are all of those people doing with them? Jeeps are known to be tough, rugged and dependable, that's a good quality in anything. Cars have hardly been my only mode of transportation. It's the adverse driving conditions during Fall, Winter and Spring that I need a superior vehicle that can handle those conditions and get reasonable gas mileage during normal road trips that I enjoy. The Compass fits that criteria and besides it's AMERICAN made. I've been all over Southern AZ in 4 X's and Dune Buggies and Bikes, and now I have to screw around with snow and ice. Things change outside but not the person inside.

I also don't believe that this is the "dumbing down" of the Jeep name. The Compass is allowing me to go back to my roots should the opportunity present its self. It certainly gives me more incentive to look for those opportunities. If I was back in Arizona, broiling with the rest of them down there, I would most certainly take advantage of the area. Where I live now just doesn't avail its self to my kind of "fun". I could go on but, I don't want to just do posts giving my autobiography.

No offense taken from your post. It gave me an opportunity to explain myself a little better.

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if staying on the road is a main requirement, why would you have ever wanted a Jeep at all?
I agree! Without off road we'd have just a Chrysler right?
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I agree! Without off road we'd have just a Chrysler right?
Right and something else may have suited my NEEDS but not my underling DESIRES. Is there such a thing as a "closet off-roader"?
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I never said that staying on the road was my only purpose just a primary one. If 95% of 4X4 never go off the road, what are all of those people doing with them? Jeeps are known to be tough, rugged and dependable, that's a good quality in anything. Cars have hardly been my only mode of transportation. It's the adverse driving conditions during Fall, Winter and Spring that I need a superior vehicle that can handle those conditions and get reasonable gas mileage during normal road trips that I enjoy. The Compass fits that criteria and besides it's AMERICAN made. I've been all over Southern AZ in 4 X's and Dune Buggies and Bikes, and now I have to screw around with snow and ice. Things change outside but not the person inside.
Like Gramps, I primarily need something that is road capable, but want something that can handle adverse driving conditions.

I've done a tiny bit of wheeling, in both of my Jeeps (WJ and XJ) over the years, but the primary reason I bought them was for snow, ice and boat towing/family hauling duty.

But there are other reasons to buy them. Styling, amenities, easy to work on maintain, plethora of aftermarket parts and the fact that they are just plain fun.

To wonder why someone would want a Jeep and not want to offroad is to wonder why someone would want a Porsche and not take it to the track, or wonder why someone would buy a Hummer (H2 or H3) that really isn't all that good off-road, or someone would buy a Harley in race-replica colors when "racing" a Harley is freakin' joke by todays standards.

I'm NOT advocating style OVER substance, but some points can be allowed for style.

With the possible exception of towing, I'm betting the Compass can do 99% of what I do with my XJ, just getting about 10 mpg more on average and perhaps allowing for a more comfortable ride. Where's the downside for my life?

And before you suggest buying something else then, I've spent a decade and a half in the tech side of the automotive industry. I spent years driving anything I wanted to from the manufacturer's press fleets. I'd never bought a new vehicle for myself in my life until the WJ came out and then I had to have one. And now, I've compared EVERYTHING in the market that comes close to my needs and desires and the Compass is right there on top. I'm only considering ONE other brand/model, and the Compass is still better equipped with toys for the price. I wish I could convince myself that it will be as rugged as a Jeep, cause that would probably push me over the top.

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I may be a little old school with my love of solid axles, manual transmissions, and the 4.0 engine that chrysler never liked because it was designed by AMC, but I know my jeep history. The Jeepster commando for example, was a 2wd car made by Kaiser Jeep (now Kaiser Permanante) back in the 60's.
Time to relearn your Jeep history.

The Commando was a 4WD SUV (Dana 20 T-fer case) that was Jeep's answer to the Bronco and Scout. It was based roughly on a CJ-6 frame that was modified, hardly a car.

The original Jeepster OTOH was more of a 2WD Car. But not in the sense that the Compass is. They considered it more of a sports car, no real top, or windows, just a rag top and side curtains.

I think Jeep missed the mark on the Compass. JMO, but if they were doing something that is a car, capitalize on the image Jeep has. The performance image, sure it's off road, so why not capitalize on the ralley car thing? Or just outdoors in general like the Subaru outback?

I just don't see enough in the Compass to set it apart from the Caliber. Both are fine vehicles to be sure. But I just don't get the "Jeep" badge on the Compass.

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