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Unread 02-18-2008, 08:02 AM   #16
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Project Genesis: Hints of more power and new tranny

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Dodge Caliber, Jeep Compass, Jeep Patriot, Chrysler PT Cruiser -- Lose the Compass and improve the Caliber and Patriot.

"Dodge needs something in that segment, but they must do it better," Brinley said. "Maybe they could develop it in a partnership with Nissan." The two small Jeeps are too similar to each other, and the Compass is the weaker model, so it should go, she said.

Chrysler also must improve the compacts' drivetrains. An upcoming direct-injection system for the engines should improve power and fuel economy. Chrysler also should rush to replace the continuously variable transmissions with the dual-clutch gearbox, scheduled to come from its joint venture with Germany's Getrag.

The aging PT Cruiser also is due to go, but another stylish little compact with great looks and a creative interior would be a nice fit for Chrysler.
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Unread 02-18-2008, 09:09 AM   #17
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This is still all speculation and opinion from Stephanie Brinley of consultants AutoPacific. Do not take this as the gospel.
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This is still all speculation and opinion from Stephanie Brinley of consultants AutoPacific. Do not take this as the gospel.
Never mind the part about the models being cut. The bold information is interesting though.

He seems to be suggesting that the direct fuel injection system is in the works....and speculating that the dual-clutch gearbox, which is being produced via a joint venture, could be used in place of the CVT.

Both Patriot and Compass owners alike would probably enjoy a bit more fuel economy and power. Further, though a lot of people like the CVT, the Patriot and Compass took a majority of their bad press over the CVT and interior. They are already fixing the interior....would it be illogical to suggest that the CVT gets re-evaluated too?

There is no proof that only those who read the gospel make it to heaven. Just because the information wasn't delivered from a Chrysler spokesperson doesn't make it a bad post.
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Never mind the part about the models being cut. The bold information is interesting though.

He seems to be suggesting that the direct fuel injection system is in the works....and speculating that the dual-clutch gearbox, which is being produced via a joint venture, could be used in place of the CVT.

Both Patriot and Compass owners alike would probably enjoy a bit more fuel economy and power. Further, though a lot of people like the CVT, the Patriot and Compass took a majority of their bad press over the CVT and interior. They are already fixing the interior....would it be illogical to suggest that the CVT gets re-evaluated too?

There is no proof that only those who read the gospel make it to heaven. Just because the information wasn't delivered from a Chrysler spokesperson doesn't make it a bad post.
Not saying that it's a bad post. The is for the bad press that we seem to get. We can all enjoy the positive along with the negative tho.

There are many of us that don't think the CVT is a bad thing, it just needs some more HP and maybe some different programming. I think that the CVT type of transmission is here to stay but it will certainly get some revamping along the way.

The fact is, I believe, if all of us had listened to what the press had to say most of us would never had bought any of the MK's at all.

The new Dodge Journey with the standard 2.4 VVT is getting the 4 speed auto, maybe this same one that you mentioned, but the 3.5 V6 is getting a 6 speed CVT. I do wonder what's up with that.

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Not saying that it's a bad post. The is for the bad press that we seem to get. We can all enjoy the positive along with the negative tho.

There are many of us that don't think the CVT is a bad thing, it just needs some more HP and maybe some different programming. I think that the CVT type of transmission is here to stay but it will certainly get some revamping along the way.

The fact is, I believe, if all of us had listened to what the press had to say most of us would never had bought any of the MK's at all.

The new Dodge Journey with the standard 2.4 VVT is getting the 4 speed auto, maybe this same one that you mentioned, but the 3.5 V6 is getting a 6 speed CVT. I do wonder what's up with that.

And there are those that don't read the gospel will go to heaven, too.
A 6 speed CVT, auto-stick? I wonder if that is one of Jatco's heavy-duty CVTs like the JF010E model. They have several models besides the one they put in the MK's. Link. Which, on a side note, proves that the engine power is not limited due to the use of a CVT, however it may be limited due to the use of the current CVT.

I don't even know what a dual-clutch gearbox is, or what advantage it would pose over a CVT, if any at all. I'm just for continous improvement (not attempted, but actual!), be it in a Lexus, Jeep, microwave....whatever.

Agreed about the press. I believe it is worth reading, however it is also worth testing for one's self. I don't think the press (in general) pointed out anything erroneously, but I think they pointed things out too harshly. They highlighted valid issues...they just happened to bold, underline, and put them in italics too.
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