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post #46 of 69 Old 08-08-2014, 03:21 PM
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This came directly from my personal 2008 MK service manual. AWL refers to part of the FDII package. You can find that when looking up parts like for the suspension.

And yes Barbra we did land on the moon.

Get over yourself, you're wrong. Accept it, lick your wounds and go cower in a corner for a while.


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post #47 of 69 Old 08-08-2014, 03:25 PM
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If you can post some official and honest info do so. If not just stop. I will reply IF such info ever shows up. Of course if it was going to it would have by now. The fact that those two are frantically googling their fingers off right now for anything that is even close to the subject, like the AWL code hogwash above, is hilarious to think of...

Again that crap you posted says nothing about the differences between the two systems. And just as your wiki qoute...yeah, don't be surprised if people don't buy your story

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My apologies

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From the owners manual:


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post #50 of 69 Old 08-08-2014, 03:31 PM
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Are you ashamed of your MK? You don't seem to mention it much if at all.
I had to sell it for financial reasons. No other reason. If I had the money I would buy it, or another FDII back again in a heart beat.

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post #51 of 69 Old 08-08-2014, 03:32 PM
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From the owners manual:


And the trailer rating means what in regard to the BLD's? That the trash CVT was the only auto offered for a time is not news. THE FD1 must not exist as it is not on that list! And...as I said: re-read your commercial vehicle posting and circle where it says FD1 or Fd2 or what each has. I also showed you code AWL....

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Sorry

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post #53 of 69 Old 08-08-2014, 03:57 PM
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I don't know how much more simple this could be, From a 2008 Jeep patriot service manual:
Vehicles equipped with the Off-Road Group (sales code AWL) include a separate set of BLD calibrations that are designed for Off-Road mode

separate set of BLD calibrations that are designed for Off-Road mode - forming or viewed as a unit apart or by itself.
separate set of BLD calibrations that are designed for Off-Road mode - Programming parameters
separate set of BLD calibrations that are designed for Off-Road mode - set to engage when the lever is put next to "off road"


and you wanted proof that the AWL referred to a FDII patriot, you can see that right here in the owners manual:




I've never claimed that the patriot is a rock crawling monster designed to replace wrangler. This argument is that the FDII patriot has a more aggressive BLD programming than a FDI patriot when put into L "Off Road". I don't know how much clearer I could be on that fact.

and in regards to that video, That was a fun and challenging day, I had 0 mods on my patriot at the time, and was learning how to wheel from others. I'm proud of that day and of that moment.

I also have videos like this where I test the 4x4 modes, Drive, 4x4 locked, and L "Off Road" and from personal experience there is a significant difference in the BLDs between D and L.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsa...7OjtOfEf_2uoXw

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post #54 of 69 Old 08-08-2014, 08:20 PM
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Under normal conditions with the vehicle in Off-Road mode, for example, assume that the Electronically Controlled Coupling directs 148 ft. lbs. (200 Nm) of torque to the rear differential and each wheel receives an equal share, 74 ft. lbs. (100 Nm) of torque.


If you knew anything about grand Cherokee's you would know that NO grand Cherokee's ever came with an electronically controlled clutch as is being referenced in the above quote that AIC quoted. Grand Cherokee's have REAL transfer cases thus there is no need for an electronically controlled clutch mounted ahead of the differential like the MK's have. The information quoted is from the MK service manual.

I'm going to ask again because you keep ignoring my questions:

Where is your FDI Patriot, where is YOUR videos showing us your supporting theory, you can only gather so much from reading specs online, I want to see YOUR Patriot offroad showing it's superior BLD performance, all you have done is quoted online and have not given any solid real world evidence to support your ideas.

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post #55 of 69 Old 08-09-2014, 12:51 AM
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Sir

Listing the specifications for one system without listing the other does not prove your point. That one recipe includes ground beef does not preclude another *separate*recipe from including ground beef as well.

Thank you

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post #56 of 69 Old 08-09-2014, 01:24 AM
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2011+ WK2 Transfer Cases
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_tcases.htm
2005-2010 WK Transfer Cases
http://wkjeeps.com/wk_4x4.htm
1999-2004 WJ Transfer Cases
http://wjjeeps.com/tcases.htm


Real transfer cases, real 4x4 no electronically controlled clutches.

There is no "off road mode" for any grand Cherokees, its either fulltime 4x4 4x4 high 4x4 low or whatever, it differs slightly between the different transfer cases.

And really, you brought up ground beef?

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post #57 of 69 Old 08-11-2014, 01:07 PM
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I will attest that FDII has better/stronger/different calibration for BLDs than a FDI. MKs still need more torque...
Carry on
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post #58 of 69 Old 08-12-2014, 12:27 PM
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Taken in [D] 4x4 unlocked, basically normal driving mode
Taken in [L] 4x4 unlocked, FDII's have this position, also some 2007 MK's have the L position (but doesn't say offroad, i'm curious to see how one of those would react in this same test)
Taken in [L] 4x4 Locked FDII Mode
Why the difference between videos 2 & 3
I'm guessing in video 2 the transmission is holding 1st gear (rpms would be higher than a FDI due to the higher final drive ratio on the FDII) and not upshifting and in video 3 the secondary drive wheel of the CVT is engaged jumping up the rpms (and lowering the gear ratio further)

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post #59 of 69 Old 08-12-2014, 05:35 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb7hByzV1YE

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post #60 of 69 Old 08-14-2014, 07:27 PM
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That's equally impressive, but how do you know it's an FDI (all the text I saw seemed to be Japanese, and I'm not literate in that language!). Any idea whether it was auto transmission or the manual?
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