When I was shopping, I looked at the Patriot, Compass, Libby and Wrangler.
The fuel economy alone ruled out the Libby and the Wrangler. It also ruled out the FDII Patriot. Like 95% of the people buying SUV/CUVs, the only off road I will be doing with this commuter buggy is dirt/muddy/frost heave/pot hole roads.
Frankly, I like driving a CUV that feels like an SUV from the drivers seat but at the same time handles like a car. If fuel economy were not an issue the decision would probably still have been the MK as it has a better ride. If I were buying another toy, the only choice would have been a Wrangler...
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I'll toss my two cents in. After driving the Patriot, the Wrangler Unlimited, and sitting in the Liberty, I ruled the Liberty out very quickly.
The main reason? Comfort. The inside of the Liberty is not made for a tall man....and I'm only 6'. The steering wheel doesn't adjust high enough, the seats aren't nearly as comfortable as either the Patriot or the Unlimited, the dashboard is non-existent (I love the large dash on the Patriot), and I swear the Patriot has more room in the back with the exception of those damnable cup holders. (the Unlimited surely does).
The Patriot was really comfortable. Further, I like the interior design of the Pat better then the Liberty. And the fact that you can get heated fabric seats in the Sport is a big bonus for those of us north of the Mason-Dixon.
I can't comment on how the Liberty drives, but I'm sure I would prefer the Select-Trac option over FDII.
On a side note, I was so close to buying a Wrangler Unlimited (and if I am stupid, I still might), but the gas mileage is horrible. However, the ride is oohhh so sweet! Loved it.
Personally I do not see the purpose of the Liberty anymore... Originally it was supposed to be a smaller more economical alternative to the Wrangler that offered more or easier access to the back (from what I can gather). Now it gets approximately the same gas mileage as the Wrangler Unlimited has less ability offroad and the same amount of accessability. Know I have not checked but I would guess it has less interior room than a Wrangler Unlimited too. The Patriot however is more economical and still has some pretty good offroad capabilities. Personally I would only go with the Wrangler Unlimited or the Patriot. I decided on the Patriot because it was cheaper, had better gas mileage and would serve my family better.
But who knows as I move back to the States I may sell my 'Riot and buy an Unlimited... Then again with gas prices on the rise maybe not.
--[b]JLink[/b] (aka. JeepJim)
[b]"Patriot Revolution"[/b] - 2007 Silver Patriot Sport 5 speed 4x4.
Mods: K&N AirCharger, RRO 2.125" Lift, Fuzion XTI 245/65R17's, a Blacked out muffler,
a Scan Gauge II and a Garmin GPSMap 60CSX
The Liberty was meant to replace the Cherokee. To many it was a disappointment, as are many new Jeeps to the die hards. It isn't as "spartan" as the Cherokee and doesn't appear to be quite as versatile either, but that's all subjective based on your priorities. Also not as roomy.
Compared to the Patriot it has more power, more towing capacity, more aftermarket off-road item available and more stock ground clearance. It's also more expensive to buy and feed and also has a more conventional 4WD unit and transmission.
I personally have no dislikes for the Libby's except the fuel economy and my oldest daughter loves hers. I much prefer the MK as a daily driver and if I had better access to some play areas I would build up an old CJ or Wrangler.
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We tested the Liberty and Patriot when we traded in my wife's 92 Cherokee Briarwood. Was not crazy about the Liberty's gas mileage but the poor view out of the rear hatch window ruled out the Liberty for sure. I test drove the original style Liberty several years ago before I bought my Santa Fe but IMHO the original was a much better design than the 08 version
She ended up with a Compass because they had a Limited without a sunroof and every Patriot Limited in our area had a sunroofs. The sunroof was a deal killer for us, I know many people love them but with severe allergies neither of use will ever use it.
I'll chime in here. I purchased a 2007 Patriot last OCtober, which became a Jeep buy back due to a leak in the rear cargo area that was unable to be fixed. The three things that disappointed me the most about this vehicle other than the leak were the fuel mileage, lack of room, CVT. I purchased the one with the FDII package, not realizing that it would take the gas mileage from 28 MPG down to (actually what I got in 11K miles) 16.5 MPG. I'm 6'4" and my wife is 6' tall, both of us thought the room in the Patriot was fine when test driving, but the seats are terribly uncomfortable on longer trips. The CVT is just something weird to get used to. The first couple of times I accelerated getting onto interstate, I expected a piston to come through the hood.
After Jeep bought the Patriot back from us, we went with a 2008 Liberty LImited with Sky Slider option. We have the transmission that can be shifted in 2wd, but has 4 loc and 4 low with hill descent control, which helped us down a snowy trail in Wyoming a month ago! The room in this vehicle is incredible compared to the Patriot. You're much higher up, which helps with headlights at night. The seats are ten fold more comfortable. There's actually head room between my head and the ceiling. It's just a lot more vehicle. One other note...we're averaging 22 MPG combined in the LIberty after 5K miles. Needless to say, we're much happier with this vehicle than the Patriot. Now, we did spend about $6K more, but after the leak issue, and disappointing performance of the Patriot, we were willing to spend more just to get a vehicle that would keep us satisfied!
I'm not trying to bash the Patriot, just merely share my story as someone who owns/ed both vehicles. The concept of the Patriot is nice, I just felt it didn't deliver the way it was advertised to!
i for one really LIKE the new KK Liberty. even when we had the open discussion with Jeep Engineers here on this forum a few weeks ago, they said the new KK was MUCH improved and we should drive one and see.
and if it weren't for the MPG's.....i probably would have BOUGHT one. the wife loves that open top, so that all the animals can come and join her while driving in the country.....
Interesting Story KUHawkhead.... obviously fabricated, but interesting... On our first tank (break in) with our 08 patriot with FD II we got 19 Mpg, second tank was 21Mpg. And thats with 85 octane (before I read the manual, which specifies 87 octane) I cant imagine how you got 16.5 unless you are flooring it all the time, which will give poor mileage on any vehicle. And a combined mileage of 22mpg on your 08 liberty is frigging amazing.... A little too amazing.... considering its a 4200+ lb vehicle with a 3.7l v6.... Under super ideal conditions you might get 22Mpg, like downhill or with a tailwind, but there is absolutely no way you will get 22mpg combined if you actualy do any amount of city driving, and id bet my paycheck on that.
Believe what you want....that's how it went for me with the two vehicles. I did not floor the Patriot all the time, but did drive it more in a combined highway and town than the LIbby which goes mostly on the highway. I don't know why the mileage is so much better, but it is. I know when we went to Wyoming, we were on I-80 a lot and doing 80 MPH, due to the fact we were traveling with a group, who loved to fly. At 80, the LIberty avgd 21.3 MPG for the trip.
I guess I got lucky on what MPG's I'm getting, and hope it doesn't change once the engine breaks in!