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Unread 11-15-2006, 11:28 AM   #31
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So tell me, what do you think the weight difference is between a v6 and a v8 a couple hundred pounds. build a stronger front end and give us a Hemi. If they can put a v8 in a grand cherokee why not a wrangler unlimited. there basically the same size vehicle. Don't give me this crap that it can't be done. If the Consumer wants it and is willing to pay the price the consumer should be able to have it. Your already talking 30K for a ruby whats another 2 to 3K to have a V8. It's worth it.
It has nothing to do with weight. It has everything to do with length. Look in any factory vehicle. There is a considerable amount of space in between the grill/radiator and the actual engine. The fan shroud just hides it. Add two cylinders in an engine bay designed for six and you could start to have problems. There's a lot more to passing crash tests than most people realize.

BTW. Did you know that some engine mounts are designed to drop the engine under the cab in hard head on crashes?

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Unread 11-15-2006, 11:31 AM   #32
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How tough would it be to get the engine up to us standards if it's simply an emmissions thing?
Tough enough as to not even bother. You need urea injection - not yet EPA approved as far as I know, and a whole lot of other tricks.

Hopefully - we finally getting low sulfur diesel..

One of the issues is that the requirement for an emmission control system is that it must last for pretty much a lifetime of the car without any consumables or servicing...
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Unread 11-15-2006, 11:40 AM   #33
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I just wanted to add that I don't know if these are actual reasons why a JK can't get a V8, just that they are possible reasons. Flame away.
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Unread 11-15-2006, 01:08 PM   #34
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Unread 11-15-2006, 01:09 PM   #35
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It has nothing to do with weight. It has everything to do with length. Look in any factory vehicle. There is a considerable amount of space in between the grill/radiator and the actual engine. The fan shroud just hides it. Add two cylinders in an engine bay designed for six and you could start to have problems. There's a lot more to passing crash tests than most people realize.

BTW. Did you know that some engine mounts are designed to drop the engine under the cab in hard head on crashes?
Weight would be the factor in a head on collision. the more mass you have coming through the fire wall would determine the extent of the damage.
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Unread 11-15-2006, 04:35 PM   #36
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The penalty for failing to meet CAFE standards recently increased from $5.00 to $5.50 per tenth of a mile per gallon for each tenth under the target value times the total volume of those vehicles manufactured for a given model year.

Since 1983, manufacturers have paid more than $500 million in civil penalties. Most European manufacturers regularly pay CAFE civil penalties ranging from less than $1 million to more than $20 million annually. Asian and domestic manufacturers have never paid a civil penalty.
Hm. Penalty for 1 mpg is $55. Per 5mpg - $275. Add retail margin - $500.
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Unread 11-16-2006, 06:03 AM   #37
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Hm. Penalty for 1 mpg is $55. Per 5mpg - $275. Add retail margin - $500.
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