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Replace pads only 7 53.85%
Turn rotors and replace pads 5 38.46%
What, who needs brakes? 1 7.69%
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post #1 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 02:54 PM Thread Starter
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Want comments on Brake Shoe replacement

Time for brakes. The rear pads are thin and the front are getting well worn. Question is, I have always just replaced the pads on my other vehicles and never had the rotors turned unless they were gouged by letting the pads go too far....

So, since the rotors look nice and smooth at this point, would you have the rotors turned (have the work done at a shop) or just replace the pads?

Oh, and before a bunch of smartass comments, I mean pads, but wrote shoes....I do know the diff.


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post #2 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 03:01 PM
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I usually just change the pads unless there is pulsing in the pedal or while coming to a stop indicating warpage or there is a significant ridge on the edge of the rotor from wear.
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post #3 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 03:21 PM
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I replaced my rears at around 38k. Left the rotors alone. When these pads are gone i'll install new pads and rotors.
My front pads are about 2/3 gone, not bad for 60k.

All my rotors are wearing evenly, no real grooves to speak of.

You could alway get out the calipers and see what you have left.
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post #4 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 04:07 PM
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No reason to change rotors ever unless as stated above there is a lot of pulsing in the pedal when stopping or there is groves cut into the rotor (run your fingernail from inside to outside, there shouldn't be anything stopping it)

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post #5 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 04:19 PM
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My rear pads lasted for 88k, rotors were smooth and true..I went with pads only. I have a 6sp and commute in a very rural area, hardly ever use the brakes, other than a touch.

I'd say if they run true and look good, just do the pads this time.

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post #6 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 05:37 PM
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Time for brakes. The rear pads are thin and the front are getting well worn. Question is, I have always just replaced the pads on my other vehicles and never had the rotors turned unless they were gouged by letting the pads go too far....

So, since the rotors look nice and smooth at this point, would you have the rotors turned (have the work done at a shop) or just replace the pads?

Oh, and before a bunch of smartass comments, I mean pads, but wrote shoes....I do know the diff.
In bold is the problem.The new pads will not "bed in" correctly.You need to mic the rotors to make sure they have enough material left,then turn them.Granted you can buy new rotors(yes even good ones) for a little more then the cost of having them turned.The rough surface left by turning the rotors,if done correctly,will help bed in the pads.

I personally never turn rotors for any vehicle I own,just replace the pads and rotors everytime.Not a time to be cheap.

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post #7 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 06:41 PM
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I agree with the above post , mic the rotors and turn them or spring for new rotors. Being as these newer Jeeps with the esp , esc and bls go through the rear brakes harder than the fronts it would be money well spent . After all look how much we all sink into other areas of the Jeep, why skimp on stopping power.
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After all look how much we all sink into other areas of the Jeep, why skimp on stopping power.
At least someone else has some common sense

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post #9 of 22 Old 08-18-2013, 09:17 PM
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op, i voted for "shoes" and turn rotors. had it been offered i would have voted for turn rotors if needed.
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More info. Spoke with a fellow jeeper who does all his own work. He said the pads alone will work fine, but will not last as long as if the rotor is turned a thousandth or so....he takes his rotors to a shop and pays them to mic and turn them when needed, but does the install himself.

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All the mechanics I know say to turn them. I usually don't and can't say I have noticed a difference. It seems not as many places local to me have the service to turn them. I may try to have them turned this next time just to see, I think the new parts store by me has a machine to do it. Although the cost of new is almost the same.
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post #12 of 22 Old 08-19-2013, 01:08 PM
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OEM rotors are cheap from Quadratec and there's a free shipping code for JF members.
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post #13 of 22 Old 08-19-2013, 08:07 PM
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ALWAYS TURN.

The bedding of old pads is still in the pores of the cast rotors - turning is the only way to get the new pads a fresh surface to bed-in to. failing to turn is "okay" mechanically - most drivers would never notice the difference - except that one time you really really need stopping power all the way from 70 mph to zero - is when the fade from unbedded brakes will bite you in the rear (of the car in front who DID properly bed-in his brakes!). Without proper bed-in your brakes just do NOT perform as well as they could. 70-80% efficiency may be good enough 99.99% of the time - but not for me.

I used to run with a championship race team - we changed pads and turned every four races selling our old stuff to our competitors, who could never figure out how they were getting beat going into the corners. Good brakes are a very high priority in MY book. not just for performance driving - to have a safety factor when dealing with other peoples screwups while driving.

for more info. It aint just money - its yours (and you childrens?) life we are talking about!

I mean its silly - a guy who would NEVER drive with a sloppy spongy pedal saves 8 bucks and reduces his brakes overall efficiency for what good reason? simply because he has not yet had to demand the brake load that would cause fade? Ive never needed my fire extiguisher so maybe I should just toss it off the side of the road....

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I mean pads, but wrote shoes....I do know the diff.
At least until kotex makes combat boots...

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I have decided on either turning them or getting new rotors...the sloted and/or drilled rotors look mighty good to me.

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