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Unread 12-01-2010, 02:38 PM   #1
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thinking about trading liberty for wrangler

Currently rolling in a 2009 liberty i paid 22,000 for.

I owe 9500 on it still, and it is trade-in-valued at around 14-16,000.

I was at the dealership today, and they gave me a base price of $30,000 i did not start negotiating yet just wanted to run numbers.

My thing is, I work as an EMT for FDNY. I am not losing my job any time within the next 40 years.

The wrangler price tag is a little bit more than i would like to pay at the moment, i pay 270 PM on my liberty and the wrangler at 30,000 im a looking at around 440 PM for 60 months.

One of my first questions was to the validity of one of the salesmans suggestions. He told me i can do a 72 month loan instead, and when i get my promotion to paramedic/firefighter and double my income i can increase my payments, and not end up paying interest on that last year, making it the same as having 60 months or a balloon loan.

I know its foolish to even bother asking if the 4 door wranglers are good vehicles

So my other question was what is a realistic number to try and knock the sticker down to? I am looking at a 4 door automatic nothing added.

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Unread 12-01-2010, 02:50 PM   #2
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I'm assuming it's an Unlimited Non-Rubicon for the price. When we were looking, the Hard top/auto/premium sound was the common package, they wanted about 32k. We got into a hard door, soft top Unlimited sport with 6spd for 21k. The way I look at it is you're paying almost 10k for electric doors/windows, rear wiper, premium stereo, and the automatic downgrade.. :-) Seems pretty steep. Same frame, same gears, same engine. Flop top is a nice addition, doors come off easier.
I couldn't do the 10k (180/mo)extra for the bells and whistles.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 03:06 PM   #3
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pay off liberty first, then get your promotion, then negotiate.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 03:09 PM   #4
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Buy a slightly used one. They are cheaper and the warranty is actually longer than the brand new vehicle warranty if you buy a certified pre-owned vehicle. It's 80,000 on the powertrain. That should help your price point a little.

Oh, and if you can time it right or suck up two payments, sell your liberty your self and get the private party value for it.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 03:14 PM   #5
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Wow, $30k sounds tough. I'd go to edmunds.com and run a price check there. They actual give you a real price based on what other people around your zip code are paying.

If you know you're going to make payments bigger than the min, then extending the loan can be a good thing. Just have to do the numbers on an amortization calculator.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 03:27 PM   #6
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I'm assuming it's an Unlimited Non-Rubicon for the price. When we were looking, the Hard top/auto/premium sound was the common package, they wanted about 32k. We got into a hard door, soft top Unlimited sport with 6spd for 21k. The way I look at it is you're paying almost 10k for electric doors/windows, rear wiper, premium stereo, and the automatic downgrade.. :-) Seems pretty steep. Same frame, same gears, same engine. Flop top is a nice addition, doors come off easier.
I couldn't do the 10k (180/mo)extra for the bells and whistles.
Wrong, besides what you just mentioned the Rubi also comes with a different transfer case (NP241 OR Rock-Trac) with 4:1 low range, rock rails, Dana 44’s front and rear with 4.10 gears, mud terrain tires with better wheels, lockers front and rear, electronic sway bar disconnect system and 32 spline rear axle shafts.

That’s a huge difference. If you do mild wheeling then what you got would work just fine.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 04:02 PM   #7
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that price of 30,000 is with absolutely no negotiations on price.


Another $100 a month is no big deal to me at the cost of my happiness. I am just not satisfied with the Liberty.

I also need new tires very soon on the liberty, which i am looking at $700 + alignment so i would rather just put that into the down payment and lower my month almost $20 on the wrangler.

What is a realistic number to shoot for.

The exact one is

Red/black cloth interior
4 door hard/soft top both included
Automatic
Power locks and windows
Premium stereo (not nav)

Sticker is $30k


Also i really want to get into working on my own car. I started on the liberty with some shims in the front and really enjoyed doing it... sadly the liberty has few aftermarket parts and they are often overpriced.

O and i want to get into wheeling, never done it before but it looks like a blast. I can't even put anything bigger than 235/75/16s on the liberty without spending a few thousand on a lift...

By the time i spend the money for a lift and tires on the liberty, i may as well have traded in and up to the wrangler.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 04:36 PM   #8
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Wrong, besides what you just mentioned the Rubi also comes with a different transfer case (NP241 OR Rock-Trac) with 4:1 low range, rock rails, Dana 44’s front and rear with 4.10 gears, mud terrain tires with better wheels, lockers front and rear, electronic sway bar disconnect system and 32 spline rear axle shafts.

That’s a huge difference. If you do mild wheeling then what you got would work just fine.
Yeah, we were definitely talking Non-Rubicon. The Rubi's start at about 36 and go from there.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 04:44 PM   #9
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Sell the Liberty private party, get a few grand more than the dealer will offer you.

Determine what you want on the JK, then determine if you can get there with after market parts or do you need factory.

The suggestion for a certified pre-owned is valid, I'm sure you can find something in or around the NYC area that suits your needs.

Utilize your department's credit union, rates and terms are probably better than the stealerships.

Thanks for running into burning buildings while everyone else is running out.
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Unread 12-01-2010, 04:44 PM   #10
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Does it have to be brand new?
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Unread 12-01-2010, 04:56 PM   #11
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pay off liberty first, then get your promotion, then negotiate.
I agree with this perspective and also the post below it as "Option B" in that you may consider selling the Liberty on your own and looking for a used JK.

You may have your job and a promotion lined-up, but I never bank on future income, as much as I tend to think my own job is secure. I took out the 60-month loan on my 2007 and was able to pay the full balance well ahead of full term, so I understand your thought process; however, I went into the deal with a conservative mentality (i.e. static income projection).

Best of luck and happy trails either way!
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Unread 12-01-2010, 07:01 PM   #12
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Is the new engine in the 2012s gonna be a huge difference?
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Unread 12-01-2010, 07:02 PM   #13
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????? Very good question....how's your magic 8-Ball working?
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Unread 12-01-2010, 07:11 PM   #14
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Unread 12-01-2010, 07:15 PM   #15
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Is the new engine in the 2012s gonna be a huge difference?
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