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Unread 07-07-2013, 01:36 AM   #16
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Would there be a demand if I designed and fabricated a door jack/ dolly? For say 3-400 bucks? With a hydraulic lift.

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Unread 07-07-2013, 08:35 PM   #17
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Would there be a demand if I designed and fabricated a door jack/ dolly? For say 3-400 bucks? With a hydraulic lift.
Id buy one. At a discount of course. Say..... 70%?
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Unread 07-08-2013, 08:11 AM   #18
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Would there be a demand if I designed and fabricated a door jack/ dolly? For say 3-400 bucks? With a hydraulic lift.
The problem with any kind of lift is that you are now using force that if NOT applied perfectly straight up and push it right on through the bind at the wrong angle WILL re-align all of your hinges... incorrectly of course (not to mention any other damages such as to the actual door shape). DO this a couple of times over two years - well it IS each individual's call - but I kinda like doors that work right.

But I figure if I ain't got enough to pull em by hand - my lack of strength on the trail would kinda preclude me from the off roading I prefer. If you can't even pull a 45 lb door how can I trust ya to help me unhang YOUR jeep from the rocks (let alone have my back on mine)?

Sorry but this is a sport where weaklings aren't allowed (or at best get severely limited to hanging on the porch with the puppies while the big dogs play).
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Unread 07-09-2013, 08:36 AM   #19
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Unread 07-09-2013, 01:08 PM   #20
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The problem with any kind of lift is that you are now using force that if NOT applied perfectly straight up and push it right on through the bind at the wrong angle WILL re-align all of your hinges... incorrectly of course (not to mention any other damages such as to the actual door shape). DO this a couple of times over two years - well it IS each individual's call - but I kinda like doors that work right.

But I figure if I ain't got enough to pull em by hand - my lack of strength on the trail would kinda preclude me from the off roading I prefer. If you can't even pull a 45 lb door how can I trust ya to help me unhang YOUR jeep from the rocks (let alone have my back on mine)?

Sorry but this is a sport where weaklings aren't allowed (or at best get severely limited to hanging on the porch with the puppies while the big dogs play).
Your first points are very interesting and need to be addressed by any solution.

Your 2nd point and the posts about build up strength assume an avg physically fit person who is doing level 3 through 5 trails (on a 5 point scale). What about a physically handicapped person who wants to enjoy no doors? Or when I'm 80 I'd still like to be able to cruise the easy trails with no doors without having to risk days pain because I pulled something taking the doors off.
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The problem with any kind of lift is that you are now using force that if NOT applied perfectly straight up and push it right on through the bind at the wrong angle WILL re-align all of your hinges... incorrectly of course (not to mention any other damages such as to the actual door shape). DO this a couple of times over two years - well it IS each individual's call - but I kinda like doors that work right.

But I figure if I ain't got enough to pull em by hand - my lack of strength on the trail would kinda preclude me from the off roading I prefer. If you can't even pull a 45 lb door how can I trust ya to help me unhang YOUR jeep from the rocks (let alone have my back on mine)?

Sorry but this is a sport where weaklings aren't allowed (or at best get severely limited to hanging on the porch with the puppies while the big dogs play).
A sport.I guess that means we are athletes.
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Unread 07-09-2013, 02:13 PM   #22
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Unread 07-09-2013, 02:21 PM   #23
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This isn't a matter of strength as much as technique. I am a big guy who works out a lot, and my doors have never just pulled out... I like to work smarter instead of harder... The way I get them off is by sitting on the sill with my feet on the ground, close the door till it hits me in the mid thigh, putt latch side hand on the inner handle and dash side hand on the window frame where it meets with the A pillar. Pull door to your legs and stand up... cake. If you cant do that, I would suggest leaving your doors on.

I have the HOSS cart for my doors from Bestop. Once the door is off it can be tricky getting it to sit in the cart just right and pulling it out to put back on the Jeep (which btw is the reverse process). If taking the doors off this way wont get them to pop out of the hinges, leave em on. You will probably drop them once they are off.
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Unread 07-11-2013, 08:41 AM   #24
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Door removal

Finally some clear skies so the first thing this morning the doors came off.
Decided to weigh them. With power windows they both weighed 62.4 lbs. each.
Now I am 65 years old and only a paltry 162 lbs. but they don't feel heavy to me. As one member said technique is the best way.
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Unread 07-11-2013, 08:57 AM   #25
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A sport.I guess that means we are athletes.
My bad....

This is a HOBBY for grownups. And supervised kids. Have your supervisor pull them for ya. My 11 yo neice will gladly do it for ya for a turn in the left front seat of your rig....

(just bustin your chops ya'll - I know the desire to make things easiest as possible - which is why I own lifts, levers and hoists lol!!!)
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Unread 07-11-2013, 09:12 AM   #26
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What about a physically handicapped person who wants to enjoy no doors? Or when I'm 80 I'd still like to be able to cruise the easy trails with no doors without having to risk days pain because I pulled something taking the doors off.
Simple rule of supply and DEMAND. You just spoke for less than 1% of jeepers.
Honestly - it IS up to the disabled to arrange accommodation - as I always told my kids - its YOUR job to adapt to society - not society's job to adapt to YOU. Don't throw ADA up yet - that is for protection of rights (to work, worship etc. - there are no rights granted to Jeeping - its a privilege - doubt the drafter's of the constitution even saw jeeps coming). The old saying "gotta pay to play".

As it is I have a very ill best friend - leukemia - he could not even climb into his lifted Jeep last year. The club members accommodated HIM (and thank GOD there were no videos on utube lmao). If he makes it through his transplant - I personally will modify his jeep with whatever needed to get him back on the trail. And I will personally pull all of his weight if need be (but with 14 member jeeps in the club I doubt any ONE of us will have to).

So I get ya.

ITS 60 lbs man. Even after a severe back injury (three artificial discs and four vertebrae fused) my "medical limit" is 80lbs (was 40 for the first three years after surgery)! My back pain is daily - a good seat IS next on my list of MODS.

If I am still Jeeping at 80 - I'll just have to hire a 20YO female "chauffeur"...
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Unread 07-11-2013, 11:30 AM   #27
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Unread 07-11-2013, 12:48 PM   #28
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I think the problem is that most people use their arms and lower back to lift items.
To take a door off one needs to keep a straight back and bend at the knees. With one arm straight under the door and the other to balance it you simply straighten your legs. Up comes the door.
People with back problems should never bend over to lift anything. That's how you get back problems.
To lower the door onto the hinge again straight back bend at the knees. Bending over makes you wobble missing the hinge.
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Unread 07-12-2013, 05:52 PM   #29
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Since gaining strength seems to be out of the question,

I bet you could rig something up with a bunch of 2x4 and a hydraulic jack, plus some casters that you could roll around the car, pump the door up and off, roll the contraption to a place to hang them in the window frame, lower the jack, move onto the next one.

Including the jack, I bet you could build something for $200 - $300 pretty easily.

Box frame the bottom to hold the jack in a stationary position, casters on the bottom to roll it, 2 tall pieces coming up carpeted for protection of the door, some type of wide brace on the top of the jack head to fit the bottom of the door, maybe a piece around the side to keep it from falling the wrong way (away from the posts) - once up it would lean against the carpeted posts.

Rubber, padded hooks in your garage hanging from the ceiling could hook through the window frame, .. Roll the door up to them, hook the window frame on, then lower the jack to just leave the doors on the hooks... Move onto the next door.

A jack pushes up, unless you are hanging on the door hinges, they wont get screwed up, a jack just pressing on the bottom of the door can't push the door sideways or bend it at a weird angle. I wouldn't worry about a jack hurting the hinges.

Now getting the door hinges to align when you want to put them back on using some crazy contraption like this? That might be a little tricky... That's where brute manly strength comes into play.
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Unread 07-15-2013, 01:11 PM   #30
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a jack just pressing on the bottom of the door can't push the door sideways or bend it at a weird angle.
FALSE. A jack located too far from hinge will NOT raise door straight - any bind in the pins will then send all force to hinges at an angle to the pillar\hinge axis with the door length being a lever that multiplies the jacks force (which user has no way of gauging) - what bends first?
(oh and bottle and screw jacks go up - floor jacks arc)

or when the pins pop free and the vehicle settles down on the springs while the door goes up - gee no lifting injury, just a juggling 60 lbs of sudden weight shift injury. Is there a difference?
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