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Unread 11-03-2012, 06:12 AM   #1
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Struggling - Beadlock or Not

I am moving to Arizona with my newly (and fully) upgraded 2012 ULTD w/ 35" tires. Wondering if beadlocks are recommended when running Class 3.5 mountain trails and river beds?

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Unread 11-03-2012, 06:36 AM   #2
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Traditional beadlocks with the ring on the outside aren't street legal, so that'd be an issue if you ever plan to drive it on the road. Have you ever heard of Staun internal beadlocks?
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Unread 11-03-2012, 06:55 AM   #3
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Not street legal? Crud! I will look at the Stauns, if they are required. Not sure how much I need to air down yet.
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Unread 11-03-2012, 07:12 AM   #4
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Not street legal? Crud! I will look at the Stauns, if they are required. Not sure how much I need to air down yet.
If there's no inspection in Arizona, I don't really suppose it matters. I know here in Alabama my wheels could be made out of flaming dead babies and no cop would say anything. But here's a link of you wanna make the determination yourself...

http://www.liftlaws.com/are_beadlocks_street_legal.htm
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:13 AM   #5
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Traditional beadlocks with the ring on the outside aren't street legal
Please reference the AZ code that makes them illegal. I can find no reference to wheels anywhere in the AZ codes - AZ Trans Code.

Do NOT quote DoT as DoT rules (which are standards not laws) apply to manufacturers (yes it WOULD be illegal for Jeep to use them on the units sold to the public) - NOT end consumers (you I and all other end consumers are NOT bound by DoT). A states "refusal to inspect" policy does NOT make them illegal either - it merely grants the inspecting station the right to refuse - a 1 hr job (checking torque on all the bolts) in which they only collect 12.00! - 8 of which goes to the state is NOT a profitable venture!

Until you can provide the code - please understand that just because you SAY they are illegal does not make it so in my opinion. Opinions and law are usually three different things!
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:13 AM   #6
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If there's no inspection in Arizona, I don't really suppose it matters. I know here in Alabama my wheels could be made out of flaming dead babies and no cop would say anything. But here's a link of you wanna make the determination yourself...

http://www.liftlaws.com/are_beadlocks_street_legal.htm
Looked at Florida (my current) and Arizona, neither have beadlock laws in place. The real question is whether beadlocks are recommended in Arizona, I would say it is probably preference.
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:16 AM   #7
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Looked at Florida (my current) and Arizona, neither have beadlock laws in place. The real question is whether beadlocks are recommended in Arizona, I would say it is probably preference.
If you are in sand or harsh rocks - and want to safely air down to less than 15 - beadlocks are the way to go. ANd this does not take into account cactus - I punctured a 10 ply sidewall on a cholla - drove back to camp with 0 psi!
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:36 AM   #8
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Please reference the AZ code that makes them illegal. I can find no reference to wheels anywhere in the AZ codes - AZ Trans Code.

Do NOT quote DoT as DoT rules (which are standards not laws) apply to manufacturers (yes it WOULD be illegal for Jeep to use them on the units sold to the public) - NOT end consumers (you I and all other end consumers are NOT bound by DoT). A states "refusal to inspect" policy does NOT make them illegal either - it merely grants the inspecting station the right to refuse - a 1 hr job (checking torque on all the bolts) in which they only collect 12.00! - 8 of which goes to the state is NOT a profitable venture!

Until you can provide the code - please understand that just because you SAY they are illegal does not make it so in my opinion. Opinions and law are usually three different things!
My bad, brethren. I was just letting him know he might want to check on the legality of beadlocks in his planned future area of residence before he spends $2,000 on a set and finds out he can't use them on the street.
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:38 AM   #9
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Looked at Florida (my current) and Arizona, neither have beadlock laws in place. The real question is whether beadlocks are recommended in Arizona, I would say it is probably preference.
In that case, I'd suggest that you have them and, assuming you can afford them, they really have no down-side. It's always better to have and not need than to need and not have.
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:45 AM   #10
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Hutchinson bead locks are street legal! They look great too
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Unread 11-03-2012, 10:50 AM   #11
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I agree with the above about the legality of bead locks. In my opinion, internet myth. Go to AEV's web site. Pintlers are DOT compliant.

As to the OPs question. Bead locks will allow you to deflate tire pressure way below un-bead locked wheels (I usually crawled with the 37 x 12.50 KM2s mounted on Pintlers on my TJ at 6 psi rear, 7 psi front) You know best the type of wheeling you do and if you have a need for that low of pressures.
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Even if beadlocks were illegal, no cops would enforce it. if they did, most could be persuaded to believe you have "fake bead locks", which are all over the market. For inspection, simply borrow a pair of fellow jeeper tires and switch for a couple hours.
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Unread 11-03-2012, 01:17 PM   #13
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I agree with the above about the legality of bead locks. In my opinion, internet myth. Go to AEV's web site. Pintlers are DOT compliant.

As to the OPs question. Bead locks will allow you to deflate tire pressure way below un-bead locked wheels (I usually crawled with the 37 x 12.50 KM2s mounted on Pintlers on my TJ at 6 psi rear, 7 psi front) You know best the type of wheeling you do and if you have a need for that low of pressures.
Not really an INet myth - even before the INet, offroaders and even weekend drag racers have used em (with DoT cheater slicks of course) - its the "non DoT approved" thing that folklore has turned into an interpretation of "not legal". Most states DO have code that says tires must be DoT... so often the thinking erroneously gets extended to wheels.

Now question back to you - why split f/r pressures on the rocks - I just run 6 all the way around?
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Unread 11-03-2012, 01:35 PM   #14
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Thanks for all the responses. I agree.........Hutchinsons are very nice wheels, and what I had in mind.

Any comments about Hutchinsons other than the expense?

I do have Goodyear MTR 315/70R17 which will fit 8.5" - 10.0" wheels (recommended 9.5"), the Hutchinsons are 8.5". Will the tires be a problem as they are on the edge of the range (I have zero experience with beadlocks)?
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Unread 11-03-2012, 01:52 PM   #15
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I have no personal experience but I have two buddies who have them on their Jeeps and they love them. They are expensive but supposed to be worth it.
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