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Unread 07-07-2013, 06:49 PM   #31
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In all fairness to the OP, there are many types of sand. What works for one place may not work for another place.
Don't give up, just keep practicing.

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Unread 07-07-2013, 07:25 PM   #32
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Ironic that a Sahara got stuck in sand
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Unread 07-07-2013, 07:30 PM   #33
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I've driven on lots of sand in various vehicles. I've been in 2wd on some only aired down and not gotten stuck and in 4wd on some aired down and got stuck. Always air down as low as possible. The front to back not the width is what helps. Also it is easier on your transmission and other various parts of your Jeep. Big mud tires do not help. Regular street tires float, aggressive tires dig in and that is bad in sand. I drive a steady speed and never use 4lo unless I'm pulling someone out. Always bring a shovel, tow straps jack and jack board. Also, toilet paper just incase.
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Unread 07-07-2013, 07:41 PM   #34
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Being "underpowered" has nothing to do with driving in sand-

Forward motion is important, without tirespin and this can be at any safe speed, the lower the better, unless racing

I'm able to climb pretty steep sand hills at very low speed/no spin/no air down and thats because of very tall ratio diffs and Rubi t-case/4lo/ lockers-approximate speed 2 mph-

It's all relative and depends on your equipt !

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Unread 07-07-2013, 08:20 PM   #35
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I've driven on lots of sand in various vehicles. I've been in 2wd on some only aired down and not gotten stuck and in 4wd on some aired down and got stuck. Always air down as low as possible. The front to back not the width is what helps. Also it is easier on your transmission and other various parts of your Jeep. Big mud tires do not help. Regular street tires float, aggressive tires dig in and that is bad in sand. I drive a steady speed and never use 4lo unless I'm pulling someone out. Always bring a shovel, tow straps jack and jack board. Also, toilet paper just incase.
Complete opposite of my experience. Big mud tires, unsteady speeds, no air down, no recovery tools... did all of the above for two weeks in some of the worse sand I've seen. Airing down is helpful but highly overrated.
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Unread 07-07-2013, 09:18 PM   #36
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Complete opposite of my experience. Big mud tires, unsteady speeds, no air down, no recovery tools... did all of the above for two weeks in some of the worse sand I've seen. Airing down is helpful but highly overrated.
Airing down isn't necessary all the time. But like I said it saves a lot of unnecessary wear and tear on your Jeep. I've seen a couple blown transmissions as a result. Also, u joints get eaten alive in sand not airing down.
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Unread 07-08-2013, 01:44 AM   #37
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Airing down isn't necessary all the time. But like I said it saves a lot of unnecessary wear and tear on your Jeep. I've seen a couple blown transmissions as a result. Also, u joints get eaten alive in sand not airing down.
How's that?
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Unread 07-08-2013, 06:27 AM   #38
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Airing down isn't necessary all the time. But like I said it saves a lot of unnecessary wear and tear on your Jeep. I've seen a couple blown transmissions as a result. Also, u joints get eaten alive in sand not airing down.

lol wut?
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Unread 07-08-2013, 06:49 AM   #39
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I'm far from an expert, but been driving in the sand along the NJ shore since 1966 when I bought my first 1960 Willys Jeep 4cyl 3 speed. I do not air down 95% of the time. Maybe even 99% of the time. I do not see airing down or not as the primary consideration of blown transmissions or failed u-joints. Or for that matter destroyed clutches. Just sold a 2004 rubicon 5 speed that for a while was left at a beach house for the summer for everyone to use ( my kids - girlfriends - family ) over 145,000 miles original clutch and original u joints. 5 of it's 10 year it was at a beach house all summer. Edit add - and was driven on the beach almost daily all summer - 4 of the 5 were outer banks of North Carolina before the new rules this year - and one summer out cape cod and Maratha's Vineyard.

All different driving conditions are unique in their own way. Driving in the sand is an acquired talent, requires just the correct amount of throttle, not too much, but just enough.

Want to be entertained some weekend - go to Island Beach State Park in NJ. Watch the yahoo's in their SUV's decide they are going to drive out onto the beach - after they get their permit - so they air down their tires from 45 to 15psi, get behind the wheel and start out, 500 feet out towards the beach they are buried to the frame rails. Why you ask, ......they have the old "if in doubt - power out" mind set and think the solution is speed and power rather than slow and steady. They start out fast - "charge" towards the beach - start to loose a little speed so they floor it until they are stuck !

Point of this tirade is airing down is not the solution - practice - slow and steady - beach (sand) driving is completely than street - rocks - or snow. The solution is not power - and all 4x4 are not equal. Once you do it a couple of times there will be nothing to it.

But this is juts my experience - someone else could have a completely different experience p don;t make anyone wrong - just different
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Unread 07-08-2013, 09:04 AM   #40
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Another thing I've noticed, but in deep sand, I want all the ground clearance I can get so I'm not dragging my diffs through the sand. Airing down would loose a few inches .
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Unread 07-08-2013, 10:42 AM   #41
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I’ve been driving in the sand most of my life here in SOCAL- Glamis. 75% of my off-roading is in the sand or sand based, that being said beach sand is usually wet underneath which gives you better traction but the goal is to float on top of the sand which is why you air down so you could get a bigger foot print on the sand. Some people say they never air down which is fine but you will need more momentum to stay on top of the sand, airing down lets you cruise on top of the sand without have to use momentum to keep you there.
Dry sand and wet sand are two different beast, fine sand and course sand are two different beast. You need to know what your driving in to know how your going to setup your tires.
I usually start at about 12-15lbs and if you need more floatation go to 10-12lbs but the lower you go your driving habits need to change as you will need to be aware the you could pop your bead off the tire( so no doing doughnuts in the sand).
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