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post #16 of 24 Old 06-18-2017, 06:20 PM
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Ah, but the cost of the refrigerant isn't more per unit: $850 for a 10lb tank, bring that down to 1lb and ~ $8.50.
You know $850 divided by 10 is $85, right? Can you seriously not divide by 10?

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Ah, but the cost of the refrigerant isn't more per unit: $850 for a 10lb tank, bring that down to 1lb and ~ $8.50, that's less than the R134 ($12.99/20oz, or $10.39/1lb).
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You know $850 divided by 10 is $85, right? Can you seriously not divide by 10?
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Nope... Smaller system is because 1234 is flammable. Smaller load reduces risk. READ THE DAMN SAE and stop making opinions based on conjecture and conspiracy theories.
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Nope... Smaller system is because 1234 is flammable. Smaller load reduces risk. READ THE DAMN SAE and stop making opinions based on conjecture and conspiracy theories.
I read it. The sole purpose of switching is because of the enviro's wanting a "friendlier" coolant that R134a. Period. So, as I said, the rest of us have to suffer their demands, paying more for less. Tell me, have they done the same due-dilligence that they did on CFC bulbs? Or, is it because they're heavily invested in the "green products" market, and stand to loose heavily if their products don't force the competition out of the market?

Sorry, but whenever the govt. tells us that it is doing something for our benefits I immediately look at the money stream. It usually turns out that the people pushing the change are invested in the new product, and the public isn't accepting it so it has to be forced on them via regulations. ex: Clintons, Gores, Obama's.
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I do kinda agree with that. But probably not from the same conspiratorial viewpoint.

More from the golden rule perspective - he with the gold makes the rules.

Expecting the holder of the cash to spend it investing with no say, is very close to socialism or communism. No corporation, or other entity exists for any reason other than profit. WalMart does not exist so that people have jobs, their jobs exist so WalMart makes profit.

I apologize (other than the humor value) for being sharp and barbed, if we were around a campfire you would have seen the lighthearted animation in body language. if you had of read AND RETAINED you would have caught your own math error when your yield was lower cost rather than higher as that was one of the clear issues outlined. Glad we can express without hard feelings!
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I agree, I thing we would have had fun with the debate, adding body language, emails just aren't the same.

I do see things differently, you talk of corporations, but corporations don't make decisions, the people in charge do. Same with government, governments don't make decisions, the people in them do, and they don't do so blindly. Asking presidents to put their money into a blind trust is dumb, from that point I agree with Trump thumbing his nose at that law. Those who were in charge of the Obama trust just had to watch his decisions and speeches to know where to invest his money.

Enjoy life, it's too short to take things seriously.
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I read it. The sole purpose of switching is because of the enviro's wanting a "friendlier" coolant that R134a. Period.
Correct, 134A refrigerant has a Global Warming Factor of over 1400 where as 1234YF as a Global Warming Factor (GWF) of 1.

As you know the manufacturers have to meet specific average fuel economy standards so by using the 1234YF, they get a pass on some of the poor fuel economy of Jeep vehicles.

Meanwhile, customers get less cooling and if they have to recharge, it's hovering around $70-100 per pound for the 1234YF. Some say you can recharge with 134A, which is possible I suppose but 1234YF is more dense so the I'm wondering how the fluid dynamics in the system are going to work.

I don't like it but what are you gonna do?

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Sorry, but whenever the govt. tells us that it is doing something for our benefits I immediately look at the money stream.
I wish people would look at this realistically. The government doesn't create laws, the president doesn't create laws. The officials you elect to represent you create these laws.

The government employees are forced to enforce laws created by your elected officials, or they get fired.

It's almost never THE GOVERNMENT.

Keep in mind many environmental laws are often not created to save the environment but to keep foreign competitors out of our markets. When the current president said he wanted to overturn many existing environmental laws, the US corporations quickly stated that they did not want that. They don't want it because it opens the door to many vehicles and products which cannot currently be sold in the US because they don't comply with our strict environmental laws. For example, many diesel engine used around the world can't be sold here.

If you think you're too big to do the little things, you're probably too little to do the big things...
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