price? - Page 4

Glace · 06-14-2006, 07:42 PM

It's driving me nuts that we're so close to production and they aren't offering any details whatsoever....

kbtriumph · 06-19-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJohnson

Stiffer frame, yes. Stronger, no. It has areas that are designed to crush in an impact, I wouldn't call that stronger.

Don't forget that TJ frames have crumple zones also. Look at all those holes punched in the corner of the frame just behind the front crossmember. The later models have even more.

jlj3394 · 06-19-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepJohnson

In case you didn't no, there are a lot of body-on-frame vehicles still made, one being the Jeep Wrangler. As stated I work for an insurance agency and can tell you that unibody vehicles are much weaker in an accident. A B-O-F is much stronger and safer. Think I'm wrong? Get in a unibody car and slam it into a concrete wall, then if you still can do the same in a B-O-F car and see which you fare better in.

You, my friend are just horribly ignorant. If you REALLY do work for an insurance company, then you will know that your OWN INDUSTRY'S CRASH TESTS confirm the well proven idea that crumple zones are one of the keys to saving lives in a wreck.

Wanna demonstration? Go to the NHTSA.gov website and check out the crash test of the Wrangler. It fares pretty darn well, largely because of the crumple zones. Notice how the "box" of the passenger compartment stays relatively intact, with little deviation? That means that the front of the vehicle is absorbing energy that you don't want your face, chest, and legs to absorb! Got it?

If you still can't fathom this, I've got one last option for you: Sprint full speed into the nearest brick wall. Don't let up when you ge close, just keep going. Now you will see the benefits of a crumple zone.

AOPAPilot · 06-20-2006, 05:26 AM

First time poster, life time Wrangler lover...

Just wondering what the history has been as far as price when buying the new model year vehicles. I was at the local stealership here looking at an '06 and they say they wont budge off the price, other than the $750 rebate from Jeep. I look on edmunds and it looks as if people are paying an average of $400.00 over invoice (about 1200 off msrp) for new Wranglers.

Just wondering if this may be true for the 07 Wrangler when it comes out, since I am sure haggling will have to be done since there will likely be no rebates or specials on the truck.

TurtleMacLeod · 06-20-2006, 10:00 AM

It all depends upon how they are selling in your area . . . I live a half-hour away from the Toledo, Ohio plant where they are made, and the dealer in Toledo still has 70 '06s on the lot, while most of the other dealers in the area have two or three, and a few have none. I can't imagine that they are still producing '06s. So, anyhow, they aren't giving huge rebates or are very willing to move on prices since they are still selling fairly well. The Commander, for example, aren't sellling for ****, so they are offering 5000 dollar rebates on those.

It will all depend entirely upon how well the '07s sell when they first come out. If they don't move very fast, you'll see price breaks and rebates. Since the Unlimited is supposed to come out first, I'd imagine that they will sell fairly well, since all the people that have always wanted a four door Wrangler will run out and buy one. I know my girlfriend is going to do just that! She's been stalking the Jeep sites more than me, lately! lol

JeepJohnson · 06-20-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jlj3394

You, my friend are just horribly ignorant. If you REALLY do work for an insurance company, then you will know that your OWN INDUSTRY'S CRASH TESTS confirm the well proven idea that crumple zones are one of the keys to saving lives in a wreck.

Wanna demonstration? Go to the NHTSA.gov website and check out the crash test of the Wrangler. It fares pretty darn well, largely because of the crumple zones. Notice how the "box" of the passenger compartment stays relatively intact, with little deviation? That means that the front of the vehicle is absorbing energy that you don't want your face, chest, and legs to absorb! Got it?

If you still can't fathom this, I've got one last option for you: Sprint full speed into the nearest brick wall. Don't let up when you ge close, just keep going. Now you will see the benefits of a crumple zone.

Ignorance is in the eyes of the beholder. I said nothing about crumple zones, all I said was that body on frame vehicles are safer than unibody vehicles.

**BlaineWasHere** · 06-20-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by K&VRubicon

The crumple zones are designed to take the impact of a crash, so the driver can walk away from the accident.

I would rather survive than my Jeep survive!

AOPAPilot · 06-20-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleMacLeod

It all depends upon how they are selling in your area . . . I live a half-hour away from the Toledo, Ohio plant where they are made, and the dealer in Toledo still has 70 '06s on the lot, while most of the other dealers in the area have two or three, and a few have none. I can't imagine that they are still producing '06s. So, anyhow, they aren't giving huge rebates or are very willing to move on prices since they are still selling fairly well. The Commander, for example, aren't sellling for ****, so they are offering 5000 dollar rebates on those.

It will all depend entirely upon how well the '07s sell when they first come out. If they don't move very fast, you'll see price breaks and rebates. Since the Unlimited is supposed to come out first, I'd imagine that they will sell fairly well, since all the people that have always wanted a four door Wrangler will run out and buy one. I know my girlfriend is going to do just that! She's been stalking the Jeep sites more than me, lately! lol

so what do you think would be "fair" to get off msrp on the new model? From what I have researched the average person is getting the current model for around $400 over invoice. MSRP is ~2800 over invoice (from the sites I have researched)

Your thoughts on that? I could see myself paying no more than 5-600 over invoice for any car.

TurtleMacLeod · 06-20-2006, 06:39 PM

Okay, so there is a more detailed explanation of how I got this in the thread about dealers being clueless, but long story short . . . My girlfriend and I went and bothered the local sales manager, and he said he didn't have any info yet, then I noticed a binder on his desk titled "2007 Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge Introductory Information", and Melissa said, "Would it be in there?" So I grabbed it and looked through it.

The binder also has a page of projected MSRPs, and it shows a bar graph with the price range of all of Jeep's models for '07. It shows the range for the 2door as being between (approximately) $15,000 - $32,000 and the Unlimited as being between $16,000 - $30,000. I didn't have time to take notes, so I may be off by a grand either way, but that's the approximate range that we're looking at.

AOPAPilot · 06-21-2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleMacLeod

Okay, so there is a more detailed explanation of how I got this in the thread about dealers being clueless, but long story short . . . My girlfriend and I went and bothered the local sales manager, and he said he didn't have any info yet, then I noticed a binder on his desk titled "2007 Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge Introductory Information", and Melissa said, "Would it be in there?" So I grabbed it and looked through it.

The binder also has a page of projected MSRPs, and it shows a bar graph with the price range of all of Jeep's models for '07. It shows the range for the 2door as being between (approximately) $15,000 - $32,000 and the Unlimited as being between $16,000 - $30,000. I didn't have time to take notes, so I may be off by a grand either way, but that's the approximate range that we're looking at.

But the question that we all want to know is how much dealers are going to be willing to cut off MSRP

TurtleMacLeod · 06-21-2006, 06:07 AM

Ya know, honestly . . . there was a notation about that on the graph . . . but I can't remember what the amount was, so I don't want to guess and be wrong! lol

I don't really think that they will be willing to move too much on the prices at first, for a couple of reasons:

1) It's gonna be the "hot new thing" on the lot

2) First year of production, the company is basically paying for all of that re-tooling and designing they had to do to produce it

3) At first, there aren't gonna be a whole lot of them sitting on lots to choose from

If you really want a DEAL . . . wait a few months until production outpaces demand, wait to see how they sell so you can haggle with the dealer, and wait until there are some demo models floating around with slightly higher mileage and you could talk them down on those.

AOPAPilot · 06-21-2006, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleMacLeod

Ya know, honestly . . . there was a notation about that on the graph . . . but I can't remember what the amount was, so I don't want to guess and be wrong! lol

I don't really think that they will be willing to move too much on the prices at first, for a couple of reasons:

1) It's gonna be the "hot new thing" on the lot

2) First year of production, the company is basically paying for all of that re-tooling and designing they had to do to produce it

3) At first, there aren't gonna be a whole lot of them sitting on lots to choose from

If you really want a DEAL . . . wait a few months until production outpaces demand, wait to see how they sell so you can haggle with the dealer, and wait until there are some demo models floating around with slightly higher mileage and you could talk them down on those.

Dillema that I am in is that I want to actually order one for when they first come out. The dealer told me that I could (I am first on the list for a projected September order), and that I would not be held to purchase the vehicle if we could not agree on a deal. I would like to do this because the more I drive my current truck (trade-in), the more it drops in value. I guess I can always put my order in and just pray that we strike up a decent deal. I understand they have to make money on these things, but I am not willing to pay much over $500 over invoice for something, especially considering they also get dealer holdback and will be (hopefully) selling plenty of them.

TurtleMacLeod · 06-21-2006, 06:19 AM

I can definitely see your point there, Pilot; Melissa has four payments left on her Tacoma and we're hoping it holds out until she can get the JK! Special ordering it takes away a little of your negotiating room, though. If you find one on the lot you can say, "Well . . . I don't really like this ____ , but since it's here, I GUESS I'll take it . . . "

AOPAPilot · 06-21-2006, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleMacLeod

I can definitely see your point there, Pilot; Melissa has four payments left on her Tacoma and we're hoping it holds out until she can get the JK! Special ordering it takes away a little of your negotiating room, though. If you find one on the lot you can say, "Well . . . I don't really like this ____ , but since it's here, I GUESS I'll take it . . . "

ahhhh, something I had not thought about

At least the fella who is helping me at the dealership I have known from outside of work so hopefully he will help me out as much as he can. Either way, if we cant agree on it I can always walk away from the deal like he said, even if I ordered it.

Jeepster06 · 06-22-2006, 11:16 AM

How far do you think they will start cutting the TJ's down once they get slammed with JK's and have to get rid of the older models?