I'm pretty pleased I traded in my 2008 Sahara 2 door. My main problem with it was the fact that the 2 door has no real space in it and is impossible to get in and out of.
I would have traded in for a 4 door, but I really wanted a different engine. Looks like my wait may be over soon! Lets hope they get a good transmission in there.
It will be nice to see the complete details. Allpar.com has been listing the JK (and RAM) as getting a Direct Injection version. That should provide some combination of more power and greater efficiency.
We have been hearing this for so long, year after year.
Oh it's official, the JK gets the pentastar and possibly a diesel.
We have seen that posted for 2010, 2011, and now 2012. I think I may have seen it posted for 2009 even.
I will believe it when I see it. I am also skeptical of what this engine will be like in the JK. I may be wrong, but I think even though it makes more horsepower and torque than the 3.8L, it does so at an even higher rpm than the 3.8L. The main complaint about the 3.8L is not really the numbers it makes, but how it is delivered, at an abnormally high rpm for a Jeep. Incidentally, the superchargers that are offered for the 3.8L deliver about the same horsepower and torque as the pentastar, and can be had for around $5,000. That might figure into your equation about trade in and current state of modification, depreciation, etc.
Now if this was a diesel or hemi, it would be a different story.
I don't think that's true. It's been known for a long time that the first pentastar vehicle would be the 2011 Grand Cherokee. The only speculation was if the 2011 Wrangler would get it as well. It was never official, just speculation. Now it's official!
Also, while peak torque and power may be at a higher rpm then the 4.0 (or maybe even 3.8), at 1500 or 2000 rpm I sure this motor has more torque and power then the 4.0(or 3.8), even though it peaks later. Finally, 90% of the torque is available from 1,600 to 6,400 rpm. Sounds good to me, very flat!
I think this engine will be well suited to the Wrangler. While a Hemi would be fun, it is unnecessary. A diesel?...yeah that would be amazing, so much torque and fuel economy.
I think it might be time for a new Jeep, I may just be first in line to get a 2012.
It's hard to watch things improve when you've got so much invested in an old model. When I buy a car I commit to 10yrs that way I don't get all upset when the new model comes out. Improvement is good.
I have driven the 2011 GC V6 Pentastar in the Colorado Rockies and it kills my 3.8 JK Rubicon in terms of being able to maintain speed on the mountain passes. The extra HP helps out sooo much in the mountains. Count me in... I can't wait.
This is old news. How much HP will I get if I add a RIPP turbocharger to the Pentastar? Hopefully enough to rip the tires to shreds. Now who said Jeeps were slow?
We need to go back to the time when CJ's came with V8's. I know they were low output V8's in stock trim. But, with a little tweaking here and there, a person could double their output easily with simple modifications, with no computer foolery. Shave the heads, do a five angle valve job, comp cam, Victor Jr. Intake, and a 750 cfm carburator and that was about it. Adjust the ignition timing and dial in the carb and you were good to go.
We keep going to smaller and smaller engines, higher and higher rpm's, increasingly complex computerization on a vehicle that is going to operate in harsh conditons such as extreme heat and cold, and possibly being submerged in water and mud. It just doesn't seem very smart to me to put this technology in a vehicle that will operate in the very conditions the technology fails in.
I can understand the sentiment, but anyone who drove a CJ and is being honest will tell you that they broke down five times as often as a JK does. There was nothing romantic or superior about constant valve cover leaks, swapping donut gaskets to fix exhaust leaks, rebuilding heads, starters stripping teeth, etc.
The nanny-state crap they put on vehicles now annoys the heck outta me (TPS, for example), but there is no doubt that engines and drivetrains today are much, much more reliable than they were when the CJ was around.
I will keep my 2010 cause I like the design of the interior better. Wonder if a little porting and polishing of the heads would help the 3.8 and not make it fail smog emissions test here in California. Would be nice to be alble to instal headers, better exhaust, new cam, and chip to get more power and still pass smog.
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