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Unread 03-27-2010, 10:48 PM   #16
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Imagine that. Further evidence the JK is made out of crap in the cheapest way possible. Very good posts with very good information. I knew I was not wrong in my assesment that although the JK's overall design is very good, it is executed so cheaply that it ruins the potential greatness this generation could have had.
I agree. It's more than the JK, though. All manufacturers are looking for ways to cut weight and costs.
If the Timken hubs have tapered rollers, that would be a step back in the right direction.

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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:02 PM   #17
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So it all started with, "man this steering shaft is junk" we need to fix that. Got a new one. Wait...I still have shimmy, man this tie rod and the ends are junk. Hmm wobble over potholes. These ball joints have play already? Need better ball joints. My steering is loose now! Oh great the steering box has lateral play!

Now its wheel bearings. Is there anything on these JKs that are built to last over 50K?
apparently, many of the exhaust manifolds are not built to last over 50K miles either...
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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:06 PM   #18
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I finally figured out what the JK is short for...J un K!
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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:08 PM   #19
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apparently, many of the exhaust manifolds are not built to last over 50K miles either...
Seriously?
The only problem I had ever heard of before this thread was cheap track bar brackets. I hope you guys just got lemons because 20 years or so from now my kids are going to need a good old SA jeep to drive.
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I see you also twizzled your scart lead. Well done! :thumbsup:
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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:09 PM   #20
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Seriously?
The only problem I had ever heard of before this thread was cheap track bar brackets. I hope you guys just got lemons because 20 years or so from now my kids are going to need a good old SA jeep to drive.
Better throw a TJ in a time capsule.

Also, does anyone know what is the way to check if your hubs are bad?
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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:10 PM   #21
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You know what's going to happen?
We'll all get pissed off and get rid of our JKs, and JK'ers who don't get on forums will still be enjoying the best choice out there.
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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:14 PM   #22
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We'll all get pissed off and get rid of our JKs, and JK'ers who don't get on forums will still be enjoying the best choice out there.
Well, at least you guys still have that lifetime D/T warrenty going for ya, right?
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Unread 03-27-2010, 11:17 PM   #23
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Well, at least you guys still have that lifetime D/T warrenty going for ya, right?
We'll let you know how good that is when we start making claims.
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We'll all get pissed off and get rid of our JKs, and JK'ers who don't get on forums will still be enjoying the best choice out there.
Until they get death wobble..
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Well, at least you guys still have that lifetime D/T warrenty going for ya, right?
not me, I bought before they offered that, I am an early adopter...

don't get me wrong, I can't count the many ways DC cut corners on our JKs...I still wouldn't be without one...but there is a lot of inferior parts to be replaced on our Jeeps...but I plan on still having mine 20 years from now, I am not getting rid of it

there are multiple threads on other forums about the junk exhaust manifolds...not everyone has had the problem, but many many folks have replaced theirs at least once...
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not me, I bought before they offered that, I am an early adopter...

don't get me wrong, I can't count the many ways DC cut corners on our JKs...I still wouldn't be without one...but there is a lot of inferior parts to be replaced on our Jeeps...but I plan on still having mine 20 years from now, I am not getting rid of it

there are multiple threads on other forums about the junk exhaust manifolds...not everyone has had the problem, but many many folks have replaced theirs at least once...
That's my intention, too. If there is a superior alternative to an OEM part, I'll get it, whether the original was a covered part or not.
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Well maybe things will be better under Fiat and the new Penta star.
Good luck to y'all.
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Unread 03-28-2010, 05:07 AM   #28
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Better throw a TJ in a time capsule.

Also, does anyone know what is the way to check if your hubs are bad?
I usually jack up one side at a time and grab the tire at the top and bottom, then try to wiggle it. If there's slop, you should feel it. Removing the tire and checking the hub slop is even better.
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What gets me is my YJ was not like this. When something broke or wore out, I would fix it and it was done. Everything had a more solid feel to it. Yes my YJ had many deficiencies, but it at least felt like it was built to last. I like the greater towing capacity and more cargo room the JK has and the overall design. It is just when it came time to build it the cost cutting measures were excessive. Every time I have to bring my JK in to get something fixed, I have to rent a car which is always less than one or two years old. Even when I rent a cheap vehicle, it seems constructed out of better materials than my Jeep.

I never drove a TJ. I did enjoy my YJ. I recently almost trade the JK for an H2 or a corvette because of a braking problem that the dealer could not fix despite bringing it back multiple times in a five month period. I opened a case with corporate and I think the brakes are fixed now.

If this were my first Jeep, I would say it's a jeep, what do you expect, but it is not. The thing is, when it works right, it is awesome. The problem is, there are few days that it is not problematic. On those days it is truly awful. On Monday I have an appointment to replace several things under warranty which should help it.

I bought it July 2007. The only warranty it had was 3 years 36,000 miles. Even if stuff was covered under warranty, it does not help in the long term to replace one piece if crap with another piece if crap.

I am beginning to think that if I wanted a new Jeep in 2007 it would have been better and cheaper to build one from scratch out if aftermarket catalogs.
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What gets me is my YJ was not like this. When something broke or wore out, I would fix it and it was done. Everything had a more solid feel to it. Yes my YJ had many deficiencies, but it at least felt like it was built to last. I like the greater towing capacity and more cargo room the JK has and the overall design. It is just when it came time to build it the cost cutting measures were excessive. Every time I have to bring my JK in to get something fixed, I have to rent a car which is always less than one or two years old. Even when I rent a cheap vehicle, it seems constructed out of better materials than my Jeep.

I never drove a TJ. I did enjoy my YJ. I recently almost trade the JK for an H2 or a corvette because of a braking problem that the dealer could not fix despite bringing it back multiple times in a five month period. I opened a case with corporate and I think the brakes are fixed now.

If this were my first Jeep, I would say it's a jeep, what do you expect, but it is not. The thing is, when it works right, it is awesome. The problem is, there are few days that it is not problematic. On those days it is truly awful. On Monday I have an appointment to replace several things under warranty which should help it.

I bought it July 2007. The only warranty it had was 3 years 36,000 miles. Even if stuff was covered under warranty, it does not help in the long term to replace one piece if crap with another piece if crap.

I am beginning to think that if I wanted a new Jeep in 2007 it would have been better and cheaper to build one from scratch out if aftermarket catalogs.
I know what you mean...

My Dad's XJ, and my previous TJ both felt more substantial...the TJ never gave me any problems...the XJ has had two issues in 11 years, and its still going strong...

My friend has a 2003 TJ Sahara, and I love the engineering of the JK over his TJ, but his seems so much better put together than my JK....

There is a guy on this board that drives a TJ, named Grogie, and he and I used to be on a different forum at the same time, and I kind of questioned why he got one of the last new TJ models with the JK coming out, and I kind of feel dumb for asking him that now...I kind of think he made the right choice...as I have said here and other places...I am keeping my JK until its dead and I hope that is at least 20 more years, but I am sure having to replace and redo a lot of inferior things...
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