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Unread 09-26-2006, 02:59 PM   #106
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The Sahara was out way before the movie. What confuses me is the Sahara is an entiely different model than the Rubicon. So how this has a combine Rubicon Sahara name?? Strange....

I think the only real concern with the engine is that it may be underpowered for the new size of the Unlimited and that it is the first time to be installed longitudinally and with that transmission. Those things aside, it does look OK...

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Unread 09-26-2006, 03:11 PM   #107
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The Sahara was out way before the movie. What confuses me is the Sahara is an entiely different model than the Rubicon. So how this has a combine Rubicon Sahara name?? Strange....
That's my point. The Sahara model is what came in the earlier Jeeps. It was indeed an entirely different model just like the X, Sport and Rubicon. The '05 Rubicon Sahara is an appearance upgrade that was part of the promotion for the movie. I recall the advertising campaign. I don't think that this package has anything to do with the earlier Sahara model. Like I said, if I'm wrong please correct me on this.

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I think the only real concern with the engine is that it may be underpowered for the new size of the Unlimited and that it is the first time to be installed longitudinally and with that transmission. Those things aside, it does look OK...
I agree that with the bigger Unlimited the 3.8L may not have enough "oomph". I guess it depends on how it's tuned, what the gearing is and just how much the UL actually weighs. My Grand Voyager was no lightweight and it moved along quite well.

Mounting it longitudinally shouldn't make much difference. It's done all the time. A front wheel, transverse mounted engine is often mounted longitudinally in a RWD vehicle and vice-versa.

I'd be more concerned about an all new design of the tranny, drivetrain and electronic gizmos, not to mention quality control issues. That's the stuff that is often buggy with all new models and needs to be worked out over time. Hopefully the JK won't suffer through the afflictions that is often prevalent in all new designs during the first year.
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Nothing like going topless with some Kid Rock blasting looking down on the rice boys with their dropped Civics wondering what Japanese steel would look like under the Mickey Thompsons.
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Unread 09-26-2006, 05:47 PM   #108
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I was also not aware that so many other Jeeps offered the 2WD option as well so I stand corrected in my assumption that all Jeeps are 4WD. Live and learn.
Well, at least all Wranglers were 4WD
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Unread 09-26-2006, 06:32 PM   #109
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i think the sahara was the same thing as the rubicon it was likke the "top of the line" jeep wrangler but then they came out with the rubicon and stopped making the sahara until now with the jk's now they replaced the sport with sahara and got rid of se so now they have x sahara and rubicon..... i think that's right but yea sahara has been around for a long time like since the yj age
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Unread 09-27-2006, 05:01 AM   #110
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Unread 09-27-2006, 03:44 PM   #111
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There you go! It was a 2005 Rubicon Unlimited with an appearance package. No relation to the Sahara model of previous years or the current JK Sahara model.

BTW, the Jeep in the movie Sahara was a Sport, not a Rubicon. It had Ravine wheels. I found that quite amusing.

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Have you ever watched Seinfeld?
Sure did! Are you referring to the hilarious episode where Newman and Kramer take a joy ride cross country in a mail truck?
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Unread 09-28-2006, 12:58 PM   #112
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Not sensitive in the slightest. It's just that a month ago, I spent some time up on the Rubicon with the media and several good friends assisting with the JK launch. As such, I had the opportunity to compare them side by side with the very top of the line TJ.

As most know who spend any time around me, I'm pretty objective and open minded when it comes to new stuff, but I was unprepared for just how much better the JK was than the TJ after driving both offroad. (SWB)

And frankly I've grown weary of all the bashing by those who have no clue what they are talking about, (not you) and was glad to see the admins of this site take control and confine this forum to Tech, just like the other Tech forums.

So, if you don't like the JK and don't own one, take your opinions to GD where you have been instructed to do so by the owner of the board. Seems simple, eh?

I drove one and I post my thoughts and you try to say it's bashing. There are a lot of things I don't like about it and also the TJ. I'll say what I feel as long as it's related to these. Good or bad.

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Unread 09-28-2006, 01:07 PM   #113
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What I find funny is this... If there was a truly inspired engine in the JK, I bet 90% of the naysayers would change their tunes overnight. There are tons of great changes on the JK. Stronger axles, elect-discos, slightly wider.

I bought my 06 LJ knowing that I was getting the last of a great breed.
I look at the JK and I think I could drive the SWB version and like it.
The LWB is gonna take me some time to accept...

If they offer a Diesel in 08-09 I am in trouble. The TJ will be history. Period.

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Unread 09-29-2006, 07:26 PM   #114
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I drove one and I post my thoughts and you try to say it's bashing. There are a lot of things I don't like about it and also the TJ. I'll say what I feel as long as it's related to these. Good or bad.

Hey, it's good to see you back. Still haven't quite got the hang of not calling folks names yet I see. Too bad.
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Unread 09-30-2006, 08:14 AM   #115
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Sure did! Are you referring to the hilarious episode where Newman and Kramer take a joy ride cross country in a mail truck?
No, I was talking about when Jerry asked Newman why he wasn't at work today, and Newman exclaimed "It's raining!"

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Unread 10-03-2006, 02:37 PM   #116
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No, I was talking about when Jerry asked Newman why he wasn't at work today, and Newman exclaimed "It's raining!"

Sorry for OT...
I forgot about that one! No soup for me!
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Unread 10-03-2006, 06:14 PM   #117
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That is a completely juvenile article. Talk about rationalization vs. reality. Must have been some high school kid wrote it.
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Unread 10-03-2006, 06:24 PM   #118
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That is a completely juvenile article. Talk about rationalization vs. reality. Must have been some high school kid wrote it.
That is a complitely puerile post. Somebody who knows much less then the author of the magazine article offers no points of his own, just a bit of whining.
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