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BTW, one question. I know that the Sahara and Rubicon come with 32" tires but aren't they lower profile 17-18" tires? How suitable would these be for offroad or is it just a given that you'd need to change the stock wheels and tires?
Both the 06 and 07 Rubicons come with 75 sidewall tires, the 07 just comes on one inch bigger rims, so I would think the 07s would be just as suitable for offroad conditions.

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Both the 06 and 07 Rubicons come with 75 sidewall tires, the 07 just comes on one inch bigger rims, so I would think the 07s would be just as suitable for offroad conditions.
With 17 inch rims, you're exactly right because the tire is 1" taller now too. So the sidewall height would remain unchanged from the TJ Rubicon.

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Well, that's good. Wheels and tires are among the easiest things to "fix" in any case. I got rid of my stockers with less than 6k miles on them.

Am I reading one of these posts correctly? Does the JK offer an option for 2WD only? No 4WD? On a Jeep Wrangler? That's not just insane, that's criminal!

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Well, that's good. Wheels and tires are among the easiest things to "fix" in any case. I got rid of my stockers with less than 6k miles on them.

Am I reading one of these posts correctly? Does the JK offer an option for 2WD only? No 4WD? On a Jeep Wrangler? That's not just insane, that's criminal!
I believe that's always been an option... though rare. I've never seen a 2wd Wrangler, but we've had several 2wd WK's & KJ's run through our shop

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I believe that's always been an option... though rare. I've never seen a 2wd Wrangler, but we've had several 2wd WK's & KJ's run through our shop
I thought all Jeeps were 4WD. Sorta like Subarus are always AWD (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). I can see a 2wd KJ but a Wrangler should be 4WD only. It smells too much like "Soccer Mom" for a Wrangler to be 2WD.

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Postal Jeeps were often 2wd.
That actually makes sense, although 4WD would've made it easier for them to get through rain, snow, sleet and hail.

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That actually makes sense, although 4WD would've made it easier for them to get through rain, snow, sleet and hail.


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I thought all Jeeps were 4WD. Sorta like Subarus are always AWD (correct me if I'm wrong on this one). I can see a 2wd KJ but a Wrangler should be 4WD only. It smells too much like "Soccer Mom" for a Wrangler to be 2WD.
It's just an option - get over it...
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I believe that's always been an option... though rare. I've never seen a 2wd Wrangler, but we've had several 2wd WK's & KJ's run through our shop
I believe no Jeeps that were designated CJ's or named Wrangler were offered in 2 wheel drive. The DJ's or Dispatcher Jeeps, Galas, Surrey, etc were 2 wheel drive. Depending on where one lives there are many XJ's, ZJ's, KJ's, WJ's and WK/XK's in 2 wheel drive. Think of them as the modern version of the old 2 wheel drive Willys wagons.
With the 4 door JK they are trying to entice all those old Cherokee buyers. The ones that bought them in 4 wheel drive and those that just wanted a rugged 4 dr 2 wheel drive vehicle.
One advantage of all those 2 wheel drive versions of those Jeep vehicles out there is a greater supply of used parts to fix up the 4 wheel drive ones.

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I believe that's always been an option... though rare. I've never seen a 2wd Wrangler, but we've had several 2wd WK's & KJ's run through our shop
There has never been a 2wd Wrangler....til now.

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Well you learn something every day. Reguardless... 2WD & Jeep just doesn't make much sense. Wrangler or otherwise.

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The grille is plastic, the 3.8 sucks (even though it's better than the 4.0 it just "feels" like it sucks), some chick thought it was ugly, not a "real jeep", etc. etc.).
Ok not to offend, but these kind of comments make me angry, just like how the comments of "JK's suck" make you mad.

The 3.8 is only better on paper. it has not been on the market or on the road long enough to say that. Like for example the 4.9 cadillac motor made in the early 90's is a awesome motor (if you ever had one you would know) it was rated at 200 hp and 275 foot pounds. then in 94 i believe the 4.6 north star came out... "HECK it's a better motor. i mean it's rated at 275 hp and 275 foot pounds..." then they came out with a 300 hp/295 foot pounds 4.6. On paper the 4.6 is a better motor, but later down the road you find out that the 4.9 is actually a better motor, due to the fact that it will go over 200k strong and it might even hit 300k, and the 4.6 starts to die around 140k. I have seen both motors and have helped my dad work on the cars. My sisters 96 eldorado with the 300 hp 4.6 and 130K has needed more work in the last year then the 93 4.9 deville, with 201k, has in the past 3 years. Plus we talked to a mechanic who said that the North stars are junk after 120k... that comment is not a good one cause there are north stars out there that have over 140k that I know of... But the reputation of the motor is not the best. The same could applie to the 3.8 vs the 4.0 .

so after all that rant all i'm trying to say is that just beacuse the 3.8 is better on paper, doesn't necesarily mean it is better.

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Ok not to offend, but these kind of comments make me angry, just like how the comments of "JK's suck" make you mad.

The 3.8 is only better on paper. it has not been on the market or on the road long enough to say that. Like for example the 4.9 cadillac motor made in the early 90's is a awesome motor (if you ever had one you would know) it was rated at 200 hp and 275 foot pounds. then in 94 i believe the 4.6 north star came out... "HECK it's a better motor. i mean it's rated at 275 hp and 275 foot pounds..." then they came out with a 300 hp/295 foot pounds 4.6. On paper the 4.6 is a better motor, but later down the road you find out that the 4.9 is actually a better motor, due to the fact that it will go over 200k strong and it might even hit 300k, and the 4.6 starts to die around 140k. I have seen both motors and have helped my dad work on the cars. My sisters 96 eldorado with the 300 hp 4.6 and 130K has needed more work in the last year then the 93 4.9 deville, with 201k, has in the past 3 years. Plus we talked to a mechanic who said that the North stars are junk after 120k... that comment is not a good one cause there are north stars out there that have over 140k that I know of... But the reputation of the motor is not the best. The same could applie to the 3.8 vs the 4.0 .

so after all that rant all i'm trying to say is that just beacuse the 3.8 is better on paper, doesn't necesarily mean it is better.
It's true that the horsepower & torque numbers look better on paper than the 4.0, except the 4.0 develops its power lower in the rev band... so in that respect the 4.0 is truely better.

But for the claim of reliability, I work in a Chrysler/Jeep dealer and I can tell you there are PLEANTY of >200k 3.8s (as well as the similar 3.3L) on the road in the minivans as well as other Chrysler cars. I don't think reliability will be a big concern. They've even been turbo charged with few mechanical failures. The 4.0 is legendary, but the 3.8 is no slouch, it just doesn't get the rep because there aren't many die-hard minivan owners as there are Jeepers

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The 3.8 is only better on paper. it has not been on the market or on the road long enough to say that.
So I guess that 15 yeas on the market is not long enough to know anything about an engine.

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