Originally Posted by mrblaine
'05 TJ Willys Edition
2" RE BB
1.25" JKS BL
33x10.50 BFG A/T on 15x8 Blacked Out Cragars
A to Z Fabrication Rockers
K & N Intake
Originally Posted by tplochar
For a mild "mod" - ~3" lift, 31"-33" tires etc., the kind of stuff you have, judging from purely theoretical evaluation, stock JK should outwheel it.
It already has this tires/geometry and better articulation.
For any TJ with open diffs - brake actuated limited slip on even the most basic JK will be quite a boon (judging from performance of similar systems on other vehicles, and from first reviews of it on the JK. And this system is easier to control then lockers in many situations - easier to steer - not a subsitute for lockers, but JK got those too.
And modded TJ will be almost as wide (due to extra backspacing to fit wider tires - it adds about 5", right?).
Electronic disconnect on Rubicon - better then manual, as you can hook it back up on off-camber stuff.
Of course this is a theoretical ***** measuring contest, and JK and TJ owners will just meet on the trail and break both..
Originally Posted by Karamba
Maybe if you were running full width axles...on my YJ with 3.75" backspacing (which is the most common BS to run a SWB Jeep), the wheel and tire sticks out less than 2" from the flare.
Originally Posted by Jeeples
There was a computation somewhere on this forum, that a typical setup to run 32"x10.5" makes TJ exactly as wide as a stock JK... It looked accurate - though I guess one would need to double check on a real setup..
Originally Posted by Karamba
No, only on the one side, since I bought the other 2 wheels with stock backspacing
I see your point, but on a 15x8" wheel, running 3.75 BS running a 32x11.50, you're still about 1.5" narrower than a JK. Not to mention that the sidewalls will have some give to them which will help compensate a bit for the added width.
1.5" isn't much of a difference, but once you get different BS wheels on a JK, there will obviously be a bigger difference in widths.
Originally Posted by Border Dave
You get a 2wd JK and I will get a TJ Rubicon model and lets see who out wheels the other!
PS Shoot me if you like but I actually like the TJ much better. (my opinion which you cannot change) The JK is okay but I think Jeep is straying a bit from the small nimble 4wd to some kind of Hummer wannabe. Power windows?
98' SE, Chili Pepper Red, grizzly wheels, 126AA/103AA to 129AA/105AA coil swap, 3/4" spacer, 31 Yoko Geolander AT, soft top, rear view mirror turned upside down, door straps twisted, rubicon wipers, optional factory rear sway bar, doors & top on.
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You know what I think, I think that there are now 2 different kinds of Jeep owners; those who are off-road enthusiasts, and those who just like the way the Wrangler looks driving down the coast with the top down and doors off. There is obviously a market for the JK epsecially the Unlimited. The fact is, the JK has been designed and built and is now hitting the dealers. I personally prefer the TJ, but I would imagine that the day will come when it is time to buy a new Jeep, the JK. If JK owners end up being like other Jeeps owners (CJ, YJ, TJ), then the Jeep will be moded or "built" to the owners preference anyways. No 2 Jeeps are alike. I suppose that all of this b**ching will most likely get the aftermarket guys to work though. I have seen there are in fact already aftermarket mods out there for the JK. Maybe someone will make an aftermarket grill for those who prefer metal to plastic. I personally do not care one way or the other as for the material the grill is made out of. The only thing I use my grill for is to get air to the radiator. The 1 complaint I do have about the grill is that it does look an awful lot like the Liberty. Would have been nice to make it slightly different in style.
Originally Posted by buddastrat
Lol... because power windows is a new, completely untested technology. No other cars are ever out in a rain or snow storm... Definately no convertibles...
Come to think of it... I'm pissed at jeep for even putting an electrical system in the car... Or seats that move, they are just waiting to break, I know several people that's happened to.
Originally Posted by SCouch
I actually had an old Opel once where the windshield wipers were driven by the engine vacuum. Now while I consider the vacuum system in cars to be modern junk, it was so much better than these new electric piece of crap they put on cars nowadays.
They were even speed sensitive (the faster I drove the slower they would wipe) it was awesome.
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