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Unread 09-21-2006, 10:06 AM   #1
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MSN mentions a Diesal model?

http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/art...&s=NewYork2006

Why not in the US?

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Unread 09-21-2006, 10:28 AM   #2
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EPA regulations. CARB regulations. It's just much more difficult to pass a diesel through our environmental regulations than Europe's.
(Of course that's a total double standard since you can buy a diesel pickup and pollute all you want, but an suv or a TDI Golf that get's 40+ miles to the gallon, no way!)
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Unread 09-21-2006, 11:15 AM   #3
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That's generalizing.

There are new EPA regluations coming online in 2007 - EVERY car maker is skipping '07 Diesel engine introduction until their powerplants are in line with the new regulations.
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Unread 09-21-2006, 12:08 PM   #4
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That's generalizing.
No, that's not generalizing, it is fact. The currently available 2.8L CRD engine does not meet 2007 EPA regulations, so it cannot be offered in the US in its present form. Also, since it is not economically viable for this engine to be re-designed in order to compy with 2007 and beyond EPA regulations, it will not be offered in any US model in the future.
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There are new EPA regluations coming online in 2007 - EVERY car maker is skipping '07 Diesel engine introduction until their powerplants are in line with the new regulations.
Nope, not EVERY car maker, since Jeep is offering their new 3.0 BlueTec Diesel THIS FALL in it's 2007 line-up.
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Unread 09-21-2006, 01:11 PM   #5
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Dodge is also debuting their new 6.7L Cummins in the '07 model Rams.
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Dodge is also debuting their new 6.7L Cummins in the '07 model Rams.
Imagine that in a new JK Unlimited.
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lol! they'd have to put lead in the rear frame rails just to keep it from going endo sitting still! (that engine's going to be heavy)
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LOL, yea............................but it would be sweet.

Talk about going from one extreme to the other.
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That's generalizing.

There are new EPA regluations coming online in 2007 - EVERY car maker is skipping '07 Diesel engine introduction until their powerplants are in line with the new regulations.
Umm... ok maybe it's general, but it's also true. I'm not sure what your point is..
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Unread 09-21-2006, 04:10 PM   #10
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Yeah, CARB basically tells the Feds what to do... ****heads. You can get a diesel pickup, but a fuel efficient cleaner car you can hardly get.
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Unread 09-21-2006, 11:00 PM   #11
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Yeah, CARB basically tells the Feds what to do... ****heads. You can get a diesel pickup, but a fuel efficient cleaner car you can hardly get.
Why do you think the GM H2/H3 is pushed so hard. Think of all the money being lost by the higherups if you saved it. Pfft...common now, what would Cheney do w/o his personal driver or chef. Gah, that'd be a dastardly life w/o those....
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Yeah, CARB basically tells the Feds what to do... ****heads. You can get a diesel pickup, but a fuel efficient cleaner car you can hardly get.
Well one of the problems in general for diesels in the US (other than pickups that can pollute however which way they want but that's a different story) is that both the EPA and the CARB is so dead set on regulating NOx emissions very strictly. In Europe they are more concerned with regulating CO2 emissions whish the EPA could apparently care less about.
Diesel engines are very good with their CO2 emissions, but somewhat problematic with NOx emissions (because of their high compression), this is why they can be used in Europe but not here.

It's also a pretty weird emission component to regulate because it does not come from the fuel like the CO2 does, the NOx is a by product of the gasses in the air reacting with each other under high pressure and heat. (When I put on my tin-foil hat I think that the government regulating NOx rather than CO2 is done to the american auto and oil industry since it does not penalize gas guzzlers, it really doesn't matter how much fuel you consume as far as NOx emissions goes while CO2 emissions is directly related to fuel consumption).

Another problem that diesel has been facing in the US is the crappy diesel fuel that we have had up until now. Europe mandated ultra-low sulphur diesel (ULSD) many years ago, but here, thanks in large to trucking industry lobbyist groups we've been stuck with the high sulphur diesel. The high sulphur content will quickly ruin emission control equipment (catalytic converters, particulate trap filters etc.) on diesel engines. So while it has been possible to use these technologies to clean up diesel exhaust a bit in Europe, it has been impossible to use here.
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