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post #16 of 45 Old 10-30-2012, 01:28 PM
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no answers I guess. Oh well.

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post #17 of 45 Old 10-30-2012, 04:40 PM
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The answer is its a defect in the transmission parts, rebuilding with the same parts will net the same result. Not sure if the 12+ tranny does it too but its not too different from the 07-11 tranny internally.

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post #18 of 45 Old 10-31-2012, 01:33 AM
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Chrystler rebuilt my tranny at 90K+ miles for this issue last year. 2008 JK.

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If you are the original owner, you should be covered.
What if youre (gulp) not the original owner?
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post #20 of 45 Old 10-31-2012, 09:23 AM
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Had this problem with my fourth gear. The issue in mine was with the shift fork assembly. At the rear of the shift fork assebly is a flat piece that mounts to the case and all the shift forks ride inside with a plastic insert. A small chunk of the plastic insert broke off causing my fourth gear to only engage part of the time and pop out of gear. Had to buy the whole assembly from Chrysler for around 480.
Wish i didn't throw the old parts away so i would have pictures.

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post #21 of 45 Old 10-31-2012, 09:29 AM
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Sounds like you may have a similar issue. Feels like it goes into gear but when you let out the clutch it grinds?

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post #22 of 45 Old 10-31-2012, 09:58 AM
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I am driving a '11 wrangler, just a few random times I've had it pop out of gear. It certainly doesn't happen often, and it could of been an error in my driving. I just want to know if anyone has information on if this has been "fixed" in the '11s? TSB only states 08-10.
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post #23 of 45 Old 10-31-2012, 10:18 AM
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Jeep Cares mine recently started to pop out of second gear I am the second owner. Am I stuck paying for this or will the TSP cover it.
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post #24 of 45 Old 10-31-2012, 10:34 AM
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Had this problem with my fourth gear. The issue in mine was with the shift fork assembly. At the rear of the shift fork assebly is a flat piece that mounts to the case and all the shift forks ride inside with a plastic insert. A small chunk of the plastic insert broke off causing my fourth gear to only engage part of the time and pop out of gear. Had to buy the whole assembly from Chrysler for around 480.
Wish i didn't throw the old parts away so i would have pictures.
How many miles were on it at the time? My new 2012 occasionally only partially engages fourth and also pops out of fourth every now and then. WTF is with all the cheapo plastic parts with the trans and transfer case shifting linkages. Cheap junk!
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How many miles were on it at the time? My new 2012 occasionally only partially engages fourth and also pops out of fourth every now and then. WTF is with all the cheapo plastic parts with the trans and transfer case shifting linkages. Cheap junk!
I think i had about 75k on it. I have 84k now. I also was asking myself the same question. Why put plastic parts in a transmission of all places?

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Lots of info on this. Did a search on 'popping out of gear' and got lots of hits. Here are a couple to get you started.
My 08 had the same problem and the dealer rebuilt my tranny under the Lifetime Powertrain. If you are the original owner, you should be covered.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/m...t-gear-820803/
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/j...-gear-1255711/

Also, here's the TSB on the problem.
I have been having this issue on my 2007 Rubicon for the past 2 yrs. I have 77K miles. It started doing this only in 1st gear but has recently started doing this in 3rd gear also. I called the dealer where I bought it and explained the problem. I also told him about the TSB and read it off to him. He said to bring it in and he was positive that it would be covered under my extended warranty. I printed off the TSB to take with me when I drop it off.
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post #27 of 45 Old 11-02-2012, 11:59 AM
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The "answer" is that if you have a problem, take it to the dealer and have it looked at. The internet is not going to fix your transmission.
This is not a brand new problem that has never existed before...
Manual Transmissions are run by humans who sometimes to dumb and or aggressvie things to them. That is the sticking point with this issue.
You can break your shift linkage, tweak a shift fork, grind your synchromesh to dust, a dozen things to a manual transmission. If you're not the original owner, you have no idea how your tranny was treated.
It is what it is.... If it's popping out of gear, it's not going to fix itself, so do your homework. Talk to a local shop and see what their opinion is, talk to your dealer and see if you're covered under warranty. If you are the original owner or still have residual warranty, then it should be covered. It sounds like if you have an intelligent discussion with your dealer and make them aware of the TSB you might be covered anyway.
One "problem" with these tranny's is that the shifter lever is so long, it allows for a very large amount of force to be applied to the shift mechanism....meaning that it's alot easier to seriously mess things up if you're not careful. It's a Jeep, not a dragster.
I was talking to someone the other day who asked me if I ever shifted without the clutch. (powershifting is the only term that comes to mind and that's wrong..) I'm thinking....NO, are you an idiot?
WHY would you want to do that to your transmission?
Manual trannys right up to the shift box are nearly bulletproof, it's the human interface that is usually the problem. Not saying always...just usually....

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The "answer" is that if you have a problem, take it to the dealer and have it looked at. The internet is not going to fix your transmission.
This is not a brand new problem that has never existed before...
Manual Transmissions are run by humans who sometimes to dumb and or aggressvie things to them. That is the sticking point with this issue.
You can break your shift linkage, tweak a shift fork, grind your synchromesh to dust, a dozen things to a manual transmission. If you're not the original owner, you have no idea how your tranny was treated.
It is what it is.... If it's popping out of gear, it's not going to fix itself, so do your homework. Talk to a local shop and see what their opinion is, talk to your dealer and see if you're covered under warranty. If you are the original owner or still have residual warranty, then it should be covered. It sounds like if you have an intelligent discussion with your dealer and make them aware of the TSB you might be covered anyway.
One "problem" with these tranny's is that the shifter lever is so long, it allows for a very large amount of force to be applied to the shift mechanism....meaning that it's alot easier to seriously mess things up if you're not careful. It's a Jeep, not a dragster.
I was talking to someone the other day who asked me if I ever shifted without the clutch. (powershifting is the only term that comes to mind and that's wrong..) I'm thinking....NO, are you an idiot?
WHY would you want to do that to your transmission?
Manual trannys right up to the shift box are nearly bulletproof, it's the human interface that is usually the problem. Not saying always...just usually....

I'm the original owner. Ive had several manual transmission vehicle, the last one being a 2006 TJ with the 6 speed manual and Ive never had problems like this. This is definately not operator error and is a problem with the transmission. I will be taking it in next week. I recently had the plastic shifter linkage on the 4x4 shifter replaced after it broke. I was shifting from 4 low to 2 hi in my back yard when that broke. I replaced it with the Advanced Adapters metal linkage. I know that is unrelated but wanted to throw that in there.
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post #29 of 45 Old 11-02-2012, 02:17 PM
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I've owned several manual transmission vehicles, most of them longer throw truck transmissions and never had any issues like this. Some brand new, some with over 280k original miles. The transmission on my brand jk shifts worse than any of them and I'm the original owner.
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post #30 of 45 Old 11-06-2012, 08:30 AM
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I have owned and operated manual transmissions my entire life and aside from an old CJ with a synchro problem I have never had any problems like this so there is no excuse. Bottom line is Chrysler/Jeep has a defective product that spans several years and vehicles and it needs to be fixed. Just like the fuel filler problem and gas spraying out, there is a TSB on that that they are fixing for free no matter what owner. This transmission problem affects who knows how many owners and they will not do anything until someone gets killed and are facing a lawsuit.
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