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post #1 of 20 Old 07-19-2010, 11:32 AM Thread Starter
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JK Unlimited Towing Question

hi all,

have a 2009 wrangler unlimited, manual w/ 3.21 axle ratio

would i have a problem towing a atv (719 lbs. dry) and a utility trailer ?

dont know the weight of the trailer but its no more than 500 lbs.

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post #2 of 20 Old 07-19-2010, 12:41 PM
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The manual says that a 4dr X w/ manual transmission and 3.21 axle ratio is limited at a maximum gross trailer weight of 1000lbs. I don't have first hand experience with this combination but I would be willing to bet it's doable but won't be fun, especially if you have hills.

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thank you !

so basically because of the gearing i would be really slow ?

would it break anything ??
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Jeep - 2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Capability - Towing

i think the Unlimited has a larger tow capacity than the wrangler. up to 3500 lbs, when properly configured with a tow package. check your manual when you have questions.

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I would only foresee a problem when starting out on an up hill incline.
Once you are moving the extra weight would only require you to be in a lower gear than you would be in without it.
Try not to stop on a hill or you'll have to slip/smoke the clutch to get started!
If you were hauling a boat I would say don't do it! Pulling up a boat ramp could prove impossible.
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Jeep - 2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited - Capability - Towing

i think the Unlimited has a larger tow capacity than the wrangler. up to 3500 lbs, when properly configured with a tow package. check your manual when you have questions.

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That is true. And checking the manual is always good to do.

However, having 3.21 gears limits him to 1,000 lbs, no matter what other options he has.
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so i shouldnt do it for short trips ?

i really dont get how having 3.73 instead of 3.21 gets you 2500lbs. more towing capacity.

basically what im getting at is jeep just being "safe" in saying 1000 lbs ? or would it technically be more like 1500 ?
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all im towing is the atv on a trailer, thats all, no more no less, plus it will be during summer months so the hard top will be off. if that makes a difference...
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I'm no expert but I'd say just go for it. Like JLC08JK said the only way I could see you damaging something is burning up the clutch trying to get going from dead stop on an incline. Other than that it'll be fine you may just not be able to use 4th or 5th gear while towing, but just take it slow and steady and I doubt you'll have any problems.

I don't think safety really comes into play here considering your Jeep has the same breaks and other equipment that come to play when towing and I'm rated at 3500. To me it seems more about how tolerable you'll find accelerating and maintaining your speed and to find that out you're just gonna have to hitch up your trailer, load it and go for a drive

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yea its pretty gutless to begin with so how much worse off could i be !

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Well, I've had the trailer/stick combo and I know what traffic/stop lights/inclines are like

If your towing approx 1500lbs with a stick/3.21 diff gears--you're putting 100 miles on that clutch--Everytime you use it

Now maybe the clutch is good (normally) for 50,000 miles, but by towing that load you have, there are BIG chances of BURNING up that clutch, at very low mileage !!

Just be aware ofit !!

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so i shouldnt do it for short trips ?

i really dont get how having 3.73 instead of 3.21 gets you 2500lbs. more towing capacity.

basically what im getting at is jeep just being "safe" in saying 1000 lbs ? or would it technically be more like 1500 ?
Yes, they are being safe, from a vehicle durability point of view. An Unlimited with 3.73 or better gears can handle up to 3,500 lbs. So, it's not 100% handling safety issue. With 3.21, it's drive train durability they are worried about.

Now, if you tow 1,500 lbs, and get into an accident, the other party's lawyers will only see that you were towing a trailer beyond the manufacturer's rating.
There's not much you can say in defense of that.
So, bottom line, 1,500 lbs can't be "technically" OK.
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The trailering package comes with "trailer sway control" as well as steeper gears, the hitch and wiring. The TSC may be the big factor on how well these vehicles tow... The first gear is pretty low with 3.73s, the higher gear you have won't make too much difference. Pulling a boat out of the water in 4 low shouldn't be an issue with the 3.23's, unless its severely over weight... I can just let out the clutch on mine, and it idles my boat out -no problem! (around 3000#) There is no reason to burn up a clutch any faster based on the gearing, the clutch isn't operational when the gears are engaged. Although I would agree that riding the clutch on inclines more with higher gears could prematurely wear the clutch... a 2000# load isn't too significant... the stupid throttle by wire that Jeep uses in these vehicles is the single biggest culprit to burning out clutches imo because of how lazy and unresponsive it makes these vehicles!

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You'll be fine....I had 3.21 gears in my 03 TJ and never had a problem in 3yr.s of towing anything.Did stop and go traffic with my 5x12 enclosed trailer full of tools eveyday,went on trips with 6x12 open trailer with two Ural motorcycles with sidecars that weigh 1,000lb.s each.Jeeps are tough and you shuldn't worry about towing an ATV.

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whats really bad is that the atv is rated to tow 1300lbs
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