[Avian]

Originally Posted by CDNBEAR2009JEEP

Oh, . That seems a bit childish, but I guess if a person is bored, then things like that will happen.

We are on an internet forum.



I have yet to hear any of this banter out on the trail. Only here on the internets.

[CDNBEAR2009JEEP]

Originally Posted by premo

big lol @ this thread!

both TJ's and JK's have their up's and downs...just do your research. admittedly, aftermarket parts are stupid expensive for the JK. give it a couple of yrs though and theyll drop in price.

i love my JK and wheel the hell out of it.....and i go rock crawling all the time...

I agree. Aftermarket parts ARE going to be expensive, especially when the JK Wrangler has only been around since 2007.

Quite a bit of a certain individual's comments, (There is so much torque I just let out the clutch and it will climb a 90 degree wall.), , that is very opinionated, unrealistic, and biased toward JK owners.

[PanthersFan]

Originally Posted by odwaud

I can go over 2 foot rocks or up hills so steep I can only see sky by just letting out the clutch. There is no way in hell you can do that in a JK.

Gotta call BS on that one. I've been on steep hills with my stock JK (Uwharrie comes to mind) and 4 lo, just letting off the clutch does just fine. I've got a stock X and 4.10 gears (standard with the towing package).

[CDNBEAR2009JEEP]

Originally Posted by Avian

We are on an internet forum.
I have yet to hear any of this banter out on the trail. Only here on the internets.

Yeah, I know, but the chances of me seeing any of you guys/girls, out on the trails, won't be happening. I have seen several vehicles out on the trails so far. This one guy had a Ford with a 10 inch lift, etc. He was a pretty cool guy. His buddies had a Ford Super Duty, and both of them had to haul each other out of a bog because they were stuck up to there front grille. This bog had a 6 inch thick topping of ice.
The funny thing is, they said, "He should try it with his Jeep", then the laugh began, and that was the end of that joke. Not a chance,

[odwaud]

Originally Posted by chuck45

I don't know how to make this thing do multiple quotes. At any rate I think you're the first person I've come across that thought the TJ was OK with 5" lift on stock length arms - unless a lot of that is body lift.

All suspension lift. I will be putting a 1.25 Body Lift in it to clear 36's or 37's after my 33's wear out. I admit it doesn't handle like a porsche, but after upgrading the steering system, it drives straight

Originally Posted by chuck45

As too mileage it isn't a big deal to me most of the time; but better mileage is, well, better.

I see what you are getting at, but if you properly gear a TJ with the tires it has you should be able to get decent MPG. I know someone who has over 5 inches of lift and 35's with 4.88's and gets about 16 MPG, which isn't bad. My dad gets about 18 mpg with his stock JK. It really isn't a huge difference. It is nice the JK gets slightly better MPG, but that really isn't a deciding factor on to get a TJ or JK or a Jeep.

Originally Posted by chuck45

I see you're for Minnesota and I confess that I don't have a clue what kind of wheeling you all do back there. Is it like ski mountains where 700 ft of verticle lift is good - until you get 3000 plus at places all over the west. I suppose those of us in Colorado and Utah with places like Moab in our back yard don't have a clue about rock crawling.

We have pretty much everything in Minnesota. Tight muddy trails, rocks up in the iron range, lots of mud, everything. Maybe I am wrong, but I dont see any of the modded JK's doing much rock crawling.

Originally Posted by chuck45

I just caught your last sentance. Our JK's don't do as well as XJ's! You've lost all credibility with me. I'm done.

Show me a JK that can do half of what this XJ can do.


Thats my friends Jeep exiting hottub. That thing goes through just about anything, rocks, mud, trails. Or did until he rolled it. I personally would never wheel a XJ because of no roll cage and I just don't like the feel of them, but I have seen some that go almost anywhere. I can't say the same about JKs. Prove me wrong. Wait, you are not going to because "I have lost all credibilty with you".

[Avian]

JK in the tub. 4 doors, lifted, oversize tires, just like your XJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ORYZbaS88

[odwaud]

Originally Posted by Avian

JK in the tub. 4 doors, lifted, oversize tires, just like your XJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ORYZbaS88

That isn't my XJ, its my friends. . Well it isn't his anymore, it is sitting in a salvage yard. Anyway that is a very nice rig, too bad there aren't more of them out there. The reason probably is because it is so damn expensive to mod a JK.

[Xtremjeepn]

Soooooooo.....on to the original topic.

I have had both the TJ for 10 years and now a JK. Here is why I think you should get the JK X over the TJ Rubi.

-JK has better approach and departure angles.
-JK underside is MUCH smoother than a TJ rubi with it's road grater skid.
-While not locked, the JK D44 is a MUCH stronger axle, toss in a locker and you are there.
-TJ/YJ/XJ/CJ guys have done fine with D30 fronts for years even with 35/37 tires and the D30 in the front of the JK is better than all of those. (HP, bigger shafts).
-Bigger wheel wells on a JK and less lift to run big tires, Which all translates to a better on road ride while having a better off road rig.
-Bigger brakes.
-Stronger frame.
-Outboard rear shocks stock.
-The JK X has a NP241 T-case wtih 2:73:1 low which guys have done fine with for years. Yes, 4:1 low is better, but NOT required. Easy enough to add later.
-I would rather have a Mini-van motor than an Ambassador motor from AMC. (the origin of the 4.0L). In all seriousness my JK holds 80mph MUCH MUCH MUCH better than my TJ ever did.



Bottom line.......You can always add the "rubicon" type parts to a JK to make it better off road, but you can't do much to the TJ to get the benefits of the JK.

[Avian]

Originally Posted by odwaud

That isn't my XJ, its my friends. . Well it isn't his anymore, it is sitting in a salvage yard. Anyway that is a very nice rig, too bad there aren't more of them out there. The reason probably is because it is so damn expensive to mod a JK.

Definitely. Also...I dont want to void my warranty or destroy the body on my new sub 10k mi vehicle. Thats what $4000 TJ's and $1000 YJ's are for.

[odwaud]

Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn

Soooooooo.....on to the original topic.

I have had both the TJ for 10 years and now a JK. Here is why I think you should get the JK X over the TJ Rubi.

-JK has better approach and departure angles.
-JK underside is MUCH smoother than a TJ rubi with it's road grater skid.
-While not locked, the JK D44 is a MUCH stronger axle, toss in a locker and you are there.
-TJ/YJ/XJ/CJ guys have done fine with D30 fronts for years even with 35/37 tires and the D30 in the front of the JK is better than all of those. (HP, bigger shafts).
-Bigger wheel wells on a JK and less lift to run big tires, Which all translates to a better on road ride while having a better off road rig.
-Bigger brakes.
-Stronger frame.
-Outboard rear shocks stock.
-The JK X has a NP241 T-case wtih 2:73:1 low which guys have done fine with for years. Yes, 4:1 low is better, but NOT required. Easy enough to add later.
-I would rather have a Mini-van motor than an Ambassador motor from AMC. (the origin of the 4.0L). In all seriousness my JK holds 80mph MUCH MUCH MUCH better than my TJ ever did.



Bottom line.......You can always add the "rubicon" type parts to a JK to make it better off road, but you can't do much to the TJ to get the benefits of the JK.

Those are the advantages to the JK, there are many advantages to the TJ also.
But most of those "advatages" you mentioned are not that important. Like cmon a two inch longer wheel base isn't going to make much of difference on departure angles... And it is ture that the d30 in a JK is a little better, but it is hardly noticeable. The bigger wheel wells allow you to put on bigger tire easier, but unless you add 5+ inches of lift, you do not get the flex. Dont forget there are a good number of TJ's with dana 44's, like mine.

Originally Posted by Avian

Definitely. Also...I dont want to void my warranty or destroy the body on my new sub 10k mi vehicle. Thats what $4000 TJ's and $1000 YJ's are for.

I don't think wheeling your JK is going to void your warrenty, but if it does my dad is screwed lol. If you want to be a serious wheeler you have to be ready to give up the body of your Jeep. I love my vehicle more than I anyone else does, but I am willing to make that sacrifice for wheeling. Just get alot of touch up paint and armor . And my TJ has a value of over 12 grand . But X2 on the $1000 YJ's

[Avian]

No.....wheeling will not void my warranty. If it did, mine would have been voided at 50mi. I was referring to the extensive modifications found on that XJ and JK going through the tub.

[Xtremjeepn]

Originally Posted by odwaud

Those are the advantages to the JK, there are many advantages to the TJ also.
But most of those "advatages" you mentioned are not that important. Like cmon a two inch longer wheel base isn't going to make much of difference on departure angles... And it is ture that the d30 in a JK is a little better, but it is hardly noticeable. The bigger wheel wells allow you to put on bigger tire easier, but unless you add 5+ inches of lift, you do not get the flex. Dont forget there are a good number of TJ's with dana 44's, like mine.

What are the advantages of the TJ? I can dubunk every one of them

You do NOT have to add 5" of lift to get the flex on a JK and you are running your arms maxed on your Tj anyway....got ANY droop?


The ONLY thing a TJ44 and a JK44 have in common is the cover. Do a little research.

We are not comparing different vechicles but an evolution of one to the next. Jeep sat down to address concerns with the TJ and make a better Jeep and came up with the JK.

[Thunderstrike]

Originally Posted by odwaud

Show me a JK that can do half of what this XJ can do.

This guy is going wrong way. This is usually the entrance. May be this is where he rolled the XJ.

[crankinaway]

Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn

What are the advantages of the TJ? I can dubunk every one of them

You do NOT have to add 5" of lift to get the flex on a JK and you are running your arms maxed on your Tj anyway....got ANY droop?


The ONLY thing a TJ44 and a JK44 have in common is the cover. Do a little research.

We are not comparing different vechicles but an evolution of one to the next. Jeep sat down to address concerns with the TJ and make a better Jeep and came up with the JK.

Excellent point...even better example.

[JeeperSC]

With comparable modifications a JK could perform just as well, mabey better then a TJ. I like to point out that stock Vs. stock the V6 has more power the the I6. The ratings are still close and neither make enough to brag about.