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Unread 11-20-2006, 08:39 PM   #1
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I dread Diesel Jeep Wranglers

I know this post may bring lots of angry replies... but here goes: I really dread the day when Diesels start coming out and end up wheeling with a bunch of Diesel rigs in front of me on a trail.

Have you ever been to a Greyhound Bus terminal where 3 or 4 buses are lined up with their engines running? Choking diesel exhausts used to almost kill me. Cigarettes bad for you? Forget that... diesel exhaust will kill faster.

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Unread 11-20-2006, 08:41 PM   #2
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i must be crazy, but i like the smell
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Unread 11-20-2006, 08:42 PM   #3
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How about, "simply wrong".
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I think people that smoke, smoke way more than they wheel behind a disel.
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Unread 11-20-2006, 08:59 PM   #5
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I know this post may bring lots of angry replies... but here goes: I really dread the day when Diesels start coming out and end up wheeling with a bunch of Diesel rigs in front of me on a trail.
I agree! Plus every diesel I've driven (3 total) dies at the worst possible moment and you can't get them started again. No way would I take a diesel engine vehicle 20 miles into the backcountry. Saw two of them die and hauled out of the boondocks at the tune of over $1,000 last summer.
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:02 PM   #6
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I know this post may bring lots of angry replies... but here goes: I really dread the day when Diesels start coming out and end up wheeling with a bunch of Diesel rigs in front of me on a trail.

Have you ever been to a Greyhound Bus terminal where 3 or 4 buses are lined up with their engines running? Choking diesel exhausts used to almost kill me. Cigarettes bad for you? Forget that... diesel exhaust will kill faster.
I agree 100%. Unless DM comes out with some really good emissions equipment, I will get a V8, whether it's from Jeep or AEV, I will get it.
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:06 PM   #7
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how many mercedes diesels, or VW diesels, or even cummins, duramaxs, or power strokes (all stock), do you actually notice the smell when on the road? the jeep diesel will be the same as all of these, if you leave it alone you shouldn't notice a thing out in the open.

Add: how many liberty jeeps with diesels make you sick in traffic?
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:14 PM   #8
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I know this post may bring lots of angry replies... but here goes: I really dread the day when Diesels start coming out and end up wheeling with a bunch of Diesel rigs in front of me on a trail.
When the diesel is allowed in California, it will be cleaner then the gas engine.
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I agree! Plus every diesel I've driven (3 total) dies at the worst possible moment and you can't get them started again. No way would I take a diesel engine vehicle 20 miles into the backcountry. Saw two of them die and hauled out of the boondocks at the tune of over $1,000 last summer.
Aren't most construction vehicles diesels? I thought most military vehicles are diesels? I would think they would be pretty reliable. They go everywhere. No?
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I worked on scales for a year on hwy .The smell of diesel exhaust gives me an eggyolk headache.
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:22 PM   #11
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Aren't most construction vehicles diesels? I thought most military vehicles are diesels? I would think they would be pretty reliable. They go everywhere. No?
True, but how many construction, or military, vehicles do you see far, far from civilization with no back up support?
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:27 PM   #12
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how many mercedes diesels, or VW diesels, or even cummins, duramaxs, or power strokes (all stock), do you actually notice the smell when on the road? the jeep diesel will be the same as all of these, if you leave it alone you shouldn't notice a thing out in the open.

Add: how many liberty jeeps with diesels make you sick in traffic?
All my vehicles (Jeep Wrangler, Audi A4 and Mercedes Benz SLK230) all have a fully functioning AC/Recirculate mode... In city driving, I always use the recirculate mode to block out engine exhausts: Diesel exhaust, old car exhausts. In Alabama it's especially bad due to lack of vehicle inspection... many old cars with bad emissions and exhausst. Can't enjoy the nice weather with window or top down because of bad exhausts. Guess the years of smoking makes me sensitive. Trying to quit as we speak!

I know many Jeepers are looking forward to Diesel, but it costs more than regular unleaded gas, not to mention not every gas station carries Diesel fuel, more gas mechanic than Diesel, etc, etc, so I'll probably stay with gasoline engine.
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:37 PM   #13
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I thought that I remember reading somewhere that the new lineup of diesels will be to the same standards as the Euro diesels, and that they run quite a bit cleaner than the US ones.
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Unread 11-20-2006, 09:55 PM   #14
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I drive two diesel cars. A VW Jetta and a VW Passat Wagon. I run Biodiesel in the Jetta and will in the wagon soon. The Jetta gets (on average) 48MPG and the Passat Wagon 39MPG. If you think that gas is cheaper than diesel figure up the milage and see what you come up with. Besides, when your out in the "back country" wheeling and you run out of gas, in a diesel at least you can burn different types of fuel to get you home. Go to the nearest house and get some vegitable oil pour it in and get a little farther. When running Biodiesel the exhaust smell is like french fries cooking. The diesel will give you more tourqe with less horse power at lower RPMs. All military HMMWVs (not a typo) are diesel. It's just the fear of something different that will keep Americans driving gas engines.
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Unread 11-21-2006, 08:12 AM   #15
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I know this post may bring lots of angry replies... but here goes: I really dread the day when Diesels start coming out and end up wheeling with a bunch of Diesel rigs in front of me on a trail.

Have you ever been to a Greyhound Bus terminal where 3 or 4 buses are lined up with their engines running? Choking diesel exhausts used to almost kill me. Cigarettes bad for you? Forget that... diesel exhaust will kill faster.
I understand your concerns, but they are totally unfounded. The fault in your argument involves what you say yourself - "used to."

The entire prospect of a future diesel JK rests on the fact that these are *not* your grandfather's diesels. As noted before in this thread, they would be cleaner than a gasoline engine, and nothing like what you're used to from buses or 18-wheelers. Just one piece of this equation is that the diesel fuel just now getting to pumping stations has only 3% of the sulfur emissions as past diesel fuel. And that's not even counting advancements in diesel engine technology, which Europeans have been enjoying for years. (BTW, we ***** and moan and predict the apocalypse when our gas prices hit $3 a gallon, when our friends across the pond pay at least $6-$8.)

Better fuel economy, with loads of torque at low RPMs? Personally, I can't wait for a modern diesel - although I actually *am* waiting for a diesel to be available before I buy my own JK.
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