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Unread 11-19-2010, 04:40 PM   #136
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That's crazy. Some of you have probably seen this, but here's my pre-snorkel water run my buddy caught on his camera:

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Out of curiosity did you have any water or mud in your air-box after that one?

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Unread 11-23-2010, 07:48 PM   #137
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SO did the OP get it fixed?
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Unread 11-23-2010, 08:24 PM   #138
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SO did the OP get it fixed?
Good question... We need some up-to-date information
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Unread 11-24-2010, 08:00 AM   #139
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Here we go...so as far as updates go, I called the dealership (as I do every day to bug the hell out of him) to see when it will be repaired. They said the tore it down on Monday, started replacing parts on Tuesday and I'll get an update as to when it will be ready this afternoon.

The video of the jeep going through the pond a few posts back just gets to me...how can my splash equal a dead engine when his is fine? I don't know how that worked but I don't hold any ill feelings, I think it's cool as hell. Yeah, a Jeep isn't a boat but finding out just what it's capable of is so fun.

I've have spent a lot of time trying to find a better engine for it recently, I thought about going the Hemi route but with an install of the engine and new trans I was looking at about 17k...insurance is going to cover about 9k (roughly) so I let that idea pass. While I was talking with Matt at West Texas Off-road (highly recommended for the area BTW) he jumped on the phone to get information on how easily the Hemi install could be done. He called a friend over in California and they'd replaced 5 JK engines in the past month, 2 with Hemi's, all because of the same exact issue.

When the dealer found her they told me she had leather, when she was delivered she had no leather so the dealer may keep her a little bit longer while I drive their truck around the city to put the leather in. I also have headrest dvd players to install and a push button ignition from Stardrive so it may be a week even after I get her back before she hits the streets...and yes...the mud.

I will claim stupidity and ignorance in checking the air intake box for moisture. After seeing videos like the one mentioned above it was the last thing on my mind, it shouldn't be a problem right? Obviously not.
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Unread 11-24-2010, 08:27 AM   #140
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Here we go...so as far as updates go, I called the dealership (as I do every day to bug the hell out of him) to see when it will be repaired. They said the tore it down on Monday, started replacing parts on Tuesday and I'll get an update as to when it will be ready this afternoon.

The video of the jeep going through the pond a few posts back just gets to me...how can my splash equal a dead engine when his is fine? I don't know how that worked but I don't hold any ill feelings, I think it's cool as hell. Yeah, a Jeep isn't a boat but finding out just what it's capable of is so fun.

I've have spent a lot of time trying to find a better engine for it recently, I thought about going the Hemi route but with an install of the engine and new trans I was looking at about 17k...insurance is going to cover about 9k (roughly) so I let that idea pass. While I was talking with Matt at West Texas Off-road (highly recommended for the area BTW) he jumped on the phone to get information on how easily the Hemi install could be done. He called a friend over in California and they'd replaced 5 JK engines in the past month, 2 with Hemi's, all because of the same exact issue.

When the dealer found her they told me she had leather, when she was delivered she had no leather so the dealer may keep her a little bit longer while I drive their truck around the city to put the leather in. I also have headrest dvd players to install and a push button ignition from Stardrive so it may be a week even after I get her back before she hits the streets...and yes...the mud.

I will claim stupidity and ignorance in checking the air intake box for moisture. After seeing videos like the one mentioned above it was the last thing on my mind, it shouldn't be a problem right? Obviously not.
Your update confirms that there was internal damage to your engine and that we can assume it was from water indigestion.

I have been reading a lot about the Hydrolock situation as it relates to the JK's and it seems that some people have done some wild water crossing and never had an issue while others have done minor stuff and had major ill effects. I have heard people say that if you drive thru water just right with a JK, the edge? of the uderside of hood will act as a funnel and direct water into the airbox. I have no idea how much truth there is to any of this, but after reading this post and seeing your video, if I was a JK owner, a snorkel would be on my Jeep before I got with in a 1,000 foot of water. BTW, a Hemi isn't going to like water any better than your OEM engine so changing engines isn't going to prevent future problems unless you also change the style and location of the airbox.
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Unread 11-24-2010, 09:22 AM   #141
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BTW, a Hemi isn't going to like water any better than your OEM engine so changing engines isn't going to prevent future problems unless you also change the style and location of the airbox.

The Hemi was just going to be for the joy of having a stronger engine.
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Unread 11-24-2010, 09:44 AM   #142
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The Hemi was just going to be for the joy of having a stronger engine.
I know. I was just saying that a Hydrolocked Hemi isn't going to be any better
than a hydrolocked OEM engine
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Unread 11-24-2010, 11:07 AM   #143
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Why Did A New Jeep Wrangler Die In Ten Inches Of Water?
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Unread 11-24-2010, 11:40 AM   #144
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Is that necessary to actually write a article about this? And then to have know it alls post their opinions?

You can clearly see he hit the water too hard, too fast. It's not Jeep's fault. And Jeep advertises 19" for liability reasons. You can ford a lot more of water then that, as long as you don't go to fast.. That article is crap.
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Unread 11-24-2010, 11:49 AM   #145
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Is that necessary to actually write a article about this? And then to have know it alls post their opinions?

You can clearly see he hit the water too hard, too fast. It's not Jeep's fault. And Jeep advertises 19" for liability reasons. You can ford a lot more of water then that, as long as you don't go to fast.. That article is crap.
There are too many other vids, including Jeeps website that show Much more aggressive, and deeper attacks. There pretty much has to be a worst case scenario and that is what happened to JKTester. Some of these guys completely bury the front end and climb out just fine.

I, for one, am getting a snorkel.
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Unread 11-24-2010, 11:56 AM   #146
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Is that necessary to actually write a article about this? And then to have know it alls post their opinions?

You can clearly see he hit the water too hard, too fast. It's not Jeep's fault. And Jeep advertises 19" for liability reasons. You can ford a lot more of water then that, as long as you don't go to fast.. That article is crap.
I think it is because Jalopnik hates Chrysler, but I too found the need to post such an article a bit pointless, then you have all the guys who at one point in or another, did something so amazing with an old Saab or F150 thus making the Jeep suck because of one video
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Unread 11-24-2010, 12:00 PM   #147
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All in all that article is a JOKE! Seems like a 5th grader put it together.
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Unread 11-24-2010, 12:26 PM   #148
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Is that necessary to actually write a article about this? And then to have know it alls post their opinions?

You can clearly see he hit the water too hard, too fast. It's not Jeep's fault. And Jeep advertises 19" for liability reasons. You can ford a lot more of water then that, as long as you don't go to fast.. That article is crap.
If you don't like opinions, keep them to yourself.....
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Unread 11-24-2010, 01:25 PM   #149
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Just to get the facts straight. What was the Dealers 'Offcial' writeup of the damage to the JK?

Why? Here's a pic of the JK intake (from my JK - I have an AEM system with an Outerwears prefilter):



The water would have to come in, go down the intake tube, then back up and through the filter (while not draining out the holes in the intake). If the OP submerged the JK then 'maybe' but.....somehow I don't thing we're getting the whole story.

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Unread 11-24-2010, 02:01 PM   #150
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The video of the jeep going through the pond a few posts back just gets to me...how can my splash equal a dead engine when his is fine? I don't know how that worked but I don't hold any ill feelings, I think it's cool as hell. Yeah, a Jeep isn't a boat but finding out just what it's capable of is so fun.
Rescue Green Jeeps are more impervious to damage. Plus the AEV hood uses kinetic sway energy to funnel water into the pre-chamber which then pressurized it and expels it out the vent in the hood. It's the mechanical equivelent of a whale's blowhole.
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