HELP - Can't Disable the ESP. - Page 3 - JeepForum.com

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 46 Old 05-18-2010, 11:07 PM
McKBrew
Registered User
JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Hayden
Posts: 2,739
Quote:
Originally Posted by fightingmajor View Post
So why is the ESP engaging? Because of the tires or the lift? Why is that even effecting it anyway? I'm going to be lifting my Jeep 3 1/2" and putting on 35's. is this something that I need to do?
When you lift, you shift the axle which affects the steering. On shorter lifts you can get away with just recentering the draglink after lifting. For your size lift, I would consider an adjustable front trackbar.

McKBrew is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 46 Old 05-18-2010, 11:09 PM
Charles
Registered User
2017 WK 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Denver
Posts: 3,726
When you put a lift on you change the geometry of all of the components. The trackbar and the draglink become shorter. So your axle will shift, to compensate you will need an adjustable trackbar. The draglink becomes shorter but is adjustable already. Just loosen two bolts and spin what is essentially a big nut between two bolts. Have a friend inside to tell you when the steering wheel is straight.

His brakes are coming on because his steering wheel is not straight. The reason is; if the steering wheel is off 5 degrees to the right and you take a corner that requires you to turn the wheel 10 degrees to the right, you are turning the wheel 15 degrees. Now the Jeep uses a sensor on the steering wheel to determine how far the wheel is turned, and another sensor (accelerometer) to determine how much the Jeep is actually turning. If they are not equal it assumes your are sliding and turns on the breaks to correct your vector. i.e. you turned the wheel 15 degrees (the sum of the 5 degree error and 10 degree the driver input) but the change in direction did not equal what a 15 degree steering wheel input should have.
Charles is offline  
post #33 of 46 Old 05-19-2010, 12:00 AM Thread Starter
bmf2001
Registered User
2008 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Riverside, CA
Posts: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by kudah View Post
whee.. Okay there is a difference between turning off the ESP by holding the button and permanently disabling the ESP which is what the OP was trying to do. ESP turns itself off when in 4 low. In 2wd you can not turn it completely off. In 4 hi you can hold the button down for 5 seconds and turn it completely off.

you mileage may vary between years. There are known issues with trying to permanently disable the ESP after a lift is installed.
You are correct and I believe you hit the nail on the head!

What I found while researching this is that you can not permanently turn the ESP off in 2wd which is what I want to do. However, I do believe that because my steering wheel is not true center it is causing the ESP to engage when it shouldn't. Not sure how much I need to adjust the drag link but to eyeball the Jeep emblem on the steering wheel it doesn't seem like a whole lot. I see me doing a lot of adjusting and test driving in the near future.

If that doesn't work I guess it's back to finding a dealer that will disable it for me or getting a Superchip. If that guy was telling me the truth that the Superchip will disable the ESP.
bmf2001 is offline  
post #34 of 46 Old 05-19-2010, 09:12 AM
N2rock
Registered User
 
N2rock's Avatar
2007 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 7,078
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe002 View Post
Have you ever used that brand before and have good results? I've seen pads advertised like that too, and if the warrantee actually covers normal wear (i.e. if they wear out for any reason they’ll replace them for free), I wonder if they’re made so they actually wear out the rotors to protect the pads - don’t know though?
Well. The stock thickness of the rotor is so close to the minimum, that in all likelihood you would not be able to have it turned after the 2nd set of pads regardless.

But all the pads Auto Zone sells (from the cheapest to the most expensive) come with the lifetime free replacement warranty. The warranty comes with no stipulations- if they wear out, you return the pads and get new replacements for free. You don't even need to keep the receipt as Auto Zone keeps the purchase info in their computer. All you have to do is return the worn pads.

Funny- All the big name brake shops (Brake Check, Just Brakes, etc...) all make you pay like $60 extra for the free replacement warranty. That is such a complete rip off. For one- they know that the pads will likely outlast the car ownership. The warranty does not transfer- so if you sell the car before the pads wear out, they just made $60 for doing nothing. Secondly- the price they charge for the warranty is more than the price of pads. So even if you do end up claiming new pads, it has not cost them anything.

for details and info on our JK's, check out
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


His: '07 Unlimited X, Jeep Green, Hardtop, auto, 5.13, 2.5" RC lift and too many mods to list

Hers: '08 X Red Rock, soft top, auto. Bunch of mods

Quote:
Originally Posted by tlgraham View Post
If you made a snuggy out of a Shamwow, ....would you have to get up off the couch to pee?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deepskyy View Post
At this point if Obama tried to move a little to the right, he would trip over Stalin's corpse.
N2rock is offline  
post #35 of 46 Old 05-19-2010, 09:14 AM
N2rock
Registered User
 
N2rock's Avatar
2007 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 7,078
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmf2001 View Post
What I found while researching this is that you can not permanently turn the ESP off in 2wd which is what I want to do. However, I do believe that because my steering wheel is not true center it is causing the ESP to engage when it shouldn't. Not sure how much I need to adjust the drag link but to eyeball the Jeep emblem on the steering wheel it doesn't seem like a whole lot. I see me doing a lot of adjusting and test driving in the near future.

:
It really is simple. I just had my wife sit in the driver seat and tell me when the logo was straight. It took one shot, and never had an issue again

for details and info on our JK's, check out
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


His: '07 Unlimited X, Jeep Green, Hardtop, auto, 5.13, 2.5" RC lift and too many mods to list

Hers: '08 X Red Rock, soft top, auto. Bunch of mods

Quote:
Originally Posted by tlgraham View Post
If you made a snuggy out of a Shamwow, ....would you have to get up off the couch to pee?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deepskyy View Post
At this point if Obama tried to move a little to the right, he would trip over Stalin's corpse.
N2rock is offline  
post #36 of 46 Old 05-19-2010, 09:43 AM
McKBrew
Registered User
JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Hayden
Posts: 2,739
You should already have an idea of how much it needs to be adjusted. If you are driving straight and the steering wheel is noticeably off, you'll know. Each JK might be different, but mine was a fair amount off and the ESP light never came on.

It only takes a very small movement of the draglink to move the wheel 1/4" or so. It really is an easy process, and while two people make it a bit quicker, one will work just fine.

If your steering wheel is straight and you still get the ESP light, you have another problem.
McKBrew is offline  
post #37 of 46 Old 05-19-2010, 09:33 PM
joe002
Registered User
2008 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 938
Quote:
Originally Posted by N2rock View Post
...But all the pads Auto Zone sells (from the cheapest to the most expensive) come with the lifetime free replacement warranty. The warranty comes with no stipulations- if they wear out, you return the pads and get new replacements for free. You don't even need to keep the receipt as Auto Zone keeps the purchase info in their computer. All you have to do is return the worn pads...
I've used their warrantee on a battery or two and an alternator that broke when I was on vacation and out of state and had no hassles with the return (like you said the purchase was in their computer). I never tried it with a part that is made to wear, and haven't used any of their parts on my Jeep (I would honestly have to tell them I drive my Jeep off-road, so that could be a problem). Thanks for the info, but yeah, in any case I’m not taking it to a Brake Shop!

2008 Rubicon - 2 Door - Flame Red - Automatic - MyGIG - Power Group - Deep Tint.
AEV Pintlers, BFG KM2s 35x12.50x17, Bulldog Fab Stubby Bump, Currie F/R Adj Trac Bars, Daystar Upper Dash, FireStik FireFly antenna, Kilby Rear Shock Skids, LoD Sig Stubby Bump, Midland 75-822 CB, Mopar Filler Door & Locking Gas Cap, Rancho LCA Skids, Rancho Oil Pan Armor, Riddler Diff Covers, custom Rubi Sliders, Sylvania X-treme Headlights, TeraFlex 2.5" Spring Lift, Warn PowerPlant HD, Woods Evap Can Relo, Woods SS Relo, Yukon 5.38s
joe002 is offline  
post #38 of 46 Old 05-19-2010, 10:23 PM
skyjump136
Registered User
2010 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by kudah View Post
here is that problem that we have discovered... per Star (Chrysler tech support line) you have to disable the ESP........ before you install the lift. :
Huh? Your Jeep doesn't know if its lifted...and maybe I just don't know if you're joking.

BTW, someone mentioned that Superchips can turn off ESP - it can NOT.
skyjump136 is offline  
post #39 of 46 Old 05-20-2010, 10:30 AM
kudah
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Everett,WA
Posts: 219
you have a stock suspension Jeep, everything is fine. You lift it, you experience ESP errors, likely because the steering wheel is not centered or some other part of the geometry in the front end is off. (most recent one we dealt with, either the 'C' or the front axle tube is bent, unable to align completely) So to get rid of the ESP kicking in you decide to follow the procedure to disable the ESP permently as outlined above. You are unable to get the disable to work because there is something wrong in the alignment. Since the procedure involves centering the steering wheel / turning the steering wheel a half turn / centering the steering wheel / turning a half turn in the other direction. these actions are not seen as being done correctly and the ESP does not disable.

So no the Jeep does not know it is lifted, the Jeep just doesn't see the procedure to disable ESP being done correctly... Chrysler says.. perform the procedure before you install the lift if you want the ESP disabled permanently, after the lift is installed if the ESP will not disable following the procedure, do not try to fix it by making repairs/replacing parts.

Robert
kudah is offline  
post #40 of 46 Old 05-20-2010, 10:37 AM
McKBrew
Registered User
JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Hayden
Posts: 2,739
Quote:
Originally Posted by kudah View Post
So no the Jeep does not know it is lifted, the Jeep just doesn't see the procedure to disable ESP being done correctly... Chrysler says.. perform the procedure before you install the lift if you want the ESP disabled permanently, after the lift is installed if the ESP will not disable following the procedure, do not try to fix it by making repairs/replacing parts.
I see what you are trying to say.

I still think (just an opinion) that it is a BAD idea to disable the ESP period. It's a safety feature, built in for a reason, and if you do everything right it should never activate unless it's supposed to.

We could discuss whether ESP is needed, whether it is traditional, etc... but in the end I personally like having it and think most would agree. If you are disabling the ESP to get rid of a light you are only masking the problem, not fixing it.
McKBrew is offline  
post #41 of 46 Old 05-20-2010, 11:20 AM
kudah
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Everett,WA
Posts: 219
Quote:
Originally Posted by McKBrew View Post
I see what you are trying to say.

I still think (just an opinion) that it is a BAD idea to disable the ESP period. It's a safety feature, built in for a reason, and if you do everything right it should never activate unless it's supposed to.
I agree with you. If the ESP is kicking in when it should not, I would want to find the reason it was not working correctly and fix that rather than disable the ESP permanently.

I am only sharing the information I have on why the procedure to permanently disable the ESP is not working for those that are trying to use it.

Robert
kudah is offline  
post #42 of 46 Old 05-20-2010, 12:21 PM
DBA2GO
Registered User
2008 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hurricane
Posts: 1,249
I have to agree with these other recommendations to fix the problem & not just disable the ESP.

One foot in the grave & one foot on the gas pedal!!
DBA2GO is offline  
post #43 of 46 Old 05-20-2010, 01:03 PM
fightingmajor
Registered User
2014 WK 
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 98
So just because I'm going to lift my jeep I don't have to disable the ESP right? Sorry just trying to learn here.
fightingmajor is offline  
post #44 of 46 Old 05-20-2010, 01:05 PM
McKBrew
Registered User
JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Hayden
Posts: 2,739
Quote:
Originally Posted by fightingmajor View Post
So just because I'm going to lift my jeep I don't have to disable the ESP right? Sorry just trying to learn here.
No you should absolutely NOT have to disable your ESP because you are putting on a lift.

The biggest issue is that by lifting you will have to re-adjust your steering via the draglink or you may have ESP issues.
McKBrew is offline  
post #45 of 46 Old 05-22-2010, 10:59 PM Thread Starter
bmf2001
Registered User
2008 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Riverside, CA
Posts: 23
Just wanted to update and thank everyone again!

I changed my rear brakes and it was as easy as you said it was. Makes me sick to think of all the money I spent in the past to have someone else do it. I ended up getting the ceramic pads from Auto Zone and they said as long as they're not metal on metal I can bring them back for free lifetime replacement.

I also adjusted the drag link and that was as easy as it gets. It didn't take much, less than a half turn, and I'm all lined up now. I have yet to take the turns that have been making my ESP turn on to see if it changed anything though.
bmf2001 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Jeep Forums Replies Last Post
ESP disable Hilldweller JK Wrangler Technical Forum 40 11-18-2011 06:15 PM
Disable air bag Jasen TJ Wrangler Technical Forum 9 03-14-2010 12:45 PM
Disable ABS kingvm TJ Wrangler Technical Forum 4 12-22-2006 11:00 PM
TJ airbags disable? Bobbywolf TJ Wrangler Technical Forum 3 06-28-2006 05:37 PM
Start Disable Professor Bobo YJ Wrangler Technical Forum 7 11-10-2005 11:55 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome