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Unread 02-12-2011, 08:38 PM   #16
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For a person who will do mostly comuting driving with the ocasional highway trip these headlights are still better then what I have now. Your review is very revealing. I am more concerned about the flickering that is going on. I want to be driving knowing I can see whats in front of me not driving around with a rave party machine. I purchased the Trucklite pigtails when I thought I had a deal to buy these headlights on ebay. The seller backed out(another story for another day). So now I just want something better then what I have. For the amount of $$$ they are going for I want something that is completely fool-proof(NO issues i.e. Flickering, easy insatllation). I understand based on your results they are not nearly as good as the Cibies but they are better then stock, no? The Cibies are the best headlights availible but I imagine they are for people that use a jeep for it's intended purpose, OFFROADING, backwoods driving, trailblazing, etc, etc, etc. I apreciate your review & testing these because they have put doubt in my head BUT I havent ruled them out. I would just like an answer about why theres flickering on some installations and none on others. Well done & thanks!!!

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For a person who will do mostly comuting driving with the ocasional highway trip these headlights are still better then what I have now. Your review is very revealing. I am more concerned about the flickering that is going on. I want to be driving knowing I can see whats in front of me not driving around with a rave party machine. I purchased the Trucklite pigtails when I thought I had a deal to buy these headlights on ebay. The seller backed out(another story for another day). So now I just want something better then what I have. For the amount of $$$ they are going for I want something that is completely fool-proof(NO issues i.e. Flickering, easy insatllation). I understand based on your results they are not nearly as good as the Cibies but they are better then stock, no? The Cibies are the best headlights availible but I imagine they are for people that use a jeep for it's intended purpose, OFFROADING, backwoods driving, trailblazing, etc, etc, etc. I apreciate your review & testing these because they have put doubt in my head BUT I havent ruled them out. I would just like an answer about why theres flickering on some installations and none on others. Well done & thanks!!!
The major flaws IMHO:
1) I don't see the "flicker" as a problem. I see it as an effect of what the technology is; I don't blame my dog for pissing in the back yard either. The lights flicker from the PWM; so what? Work around it with a harness and you'll have more/brighter/steadier light.
But others see this as an issue. Think of it as a symptom of the technology and just deal with it; it's not hard to do.

2) Limited reach. They dropped dead too soon. You need to reach at least 75 yards to the right on lowbeam to be considered for highway driving.

3) Even spread. Although vastly better than the previous incarnation, they still have gaps & hot-spots; these are distracting to the driver, especially on backroads where there are sharp curves, steep cambers, & altitude variation. I literally couldn't navigate one road on lowbeam.

4) Spread to the side of the road needs to be improved; the lights have virtually zero off to the sides.

Besides the obvious benefits of LED technology (robustness, longevity, power savings, ease of application), the single best characteristic that I noted while driving was that two of the "flashlights" seemed to be aimed directly at the lines on the road --- this is fantastic for driving in poor weather and obviates the need for foglights.

I can see them working for a city driver; they were fine in urban driving where streetlights did the lion's share of lighting the road. And they do have bling appeal in spades; people at Sam's Club, Wells Fargo, and in the neighborhood all took long looks at them.

Jerry seems like an open person and Truck-Lite seems to be diligent in their pursuit of refinement. I'd expect them to apply themselves and create a still better product.

I still feel that HIDs will fade from popularity and LEDs will become the standard for headlights. But, for replacement lamps like these, the question remains as to which company will make the best and offer it at an appealing price-point?
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Unread 02-13-2011, 08:29 AM   #20
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The major flaws IMHO:
1) I don't see the "flicker" as a problem. I see it as an effect of what the technology is; I don't blame my dog for pissing in the back yard either. The lights flicker from the PWM; so what? Work around it with a harness and you'll have more/brighter/steadier light.
But others see this as an issue. Think of it as a symptom of the technology and just deal with it; it's not hard to do.

2) Limited reach. They dropped dead too soon. You need to reach at least 75 yards to the right on lowbeam to be considered for highway driving.

3) Even spread. Although vastly better than the previous incarnation, they still have gaps & hot-spots; these are distracting to the driver, especially on backroads where there are sharp curves, steep cambers, & altitude variation. I literally couldn't navigate one road on lowbeam.

4) Spread to the side of the road needs to be improved; the lights have virtually zero off to the sides.

Besides the obvious benefits of LED technology (robustness, longevity, power savings, ease of application), the single best characteristic that I noted while driving was that two of the "flashlights" seemed to be aimed directly at the lines on the road --- this is fantastic for driving in poor weather and obviates the need for foglights.

I can see them working for a city driver; they were fine in urban driving where streetlights did the lion's share of lighting the road. And they do have bling appeal in spades; people at Sam's Club, Wells Fargo, and in the neighborhood all took long looks at them.

Jerry seems like an open person and Truck-Lite seems to be diligent in their pursuit of refinement. I'd expect them to apply themselves and create a still better product.

I still feel that HIDs will fade from popularity and LEDs will become the standard for headlights. But, for replacement lamps like these, the question remains as to which company will make the best and offer it at an appealing price-point?
Well said. What you wrote above is what I wanted to hear.

Although I live within 25miles of NYC. I do drive on some poorly lit and narrow hilly roads.

All I know, driving home during our last snow storm the headlights I have were more like parking lights, thank GOD I have HID's installed on in my fogs beacuse I would have been totally screwed.

I am not someone who is "Showy" or who has the "look what I have" attitude I just like having nice things and since every Tom, Dick, & Harry has a Jeep Wrangler where I live I just want something original.
Forgive my ignorance, define the flickering, I imagining it looking like a strobe light, is it that severe??? Is it barely noticeable to the other drivers on the road??? I dont want to annoy the other drivers. If nobody brought this issue up would a novice like myself notice it??? Maybe I will wait on these...

Once again thank you!!!
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Unread 02-13-2011, 08:44 AM   #21
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Well said. What you wrote above is what I wanted to hear.

Although I live within 25miles of NYC. I do drive on some poorly lit and narrow hilly roads.

All I know, driving home during our last snow storm the headlights I have were more like parking lights, thank GOD I have HID's installed on in my fogs beacuse I would have been totally screwed.

I am not someone who is "Showy" or who has the "look what I have" attitude I just like having nice things and since every Tom, Dick, & Harry has a Jeep Wrangler where I live I just want something original.
Forgive my ignorance, define the flickering, I imagining it looking like a strobe light, is it that severe??? Is it barely noticeable to the other drivers on the road??? I dont want to annoy the other drivers. If nobody brought this issue up would a novice like myself notice it??? Maybe I will wait on these...

Once again thank you!!!
The flicker isn't a strobe, think of a faulty alternator causing your headlights to either dim between RPM's or a very quick blink.

I drove an hour to and from my hockey game with these last night and it's hardly noticeable if you weren't the wiser.

I drove on some dark roads, here are the Truck-Lite headlights by themselves with no stock fogs.
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The major flaws IMHO:
1) I don't see the "flicker" as a problem. I see it as an effect of what the technology is; I don't blame my dog for pissing in the back yard either. The lights flicker from the PWM; so what? Work around it with a harness and you'll have more/brighter/steadier light.
But others see this as an issue. Think of it as a symptom of the technology and just deal with it; it's not hard to do.

2) Limited reach. They dropped dead too soon. You need to reach at least 75 yards to the right on lowbeam to be considered for highway driving.

3) Even spread. Although vastly better than the previous incarnation, they still have gaps & hot-spots; these are distracting to the driver, especially on backroads where there are sharp curves, steep cambers, & altitude variation. I literally couldn't navigate one road on lowbeam.

4) Spread to the side of the road needs to be improved; the lights have virtually zero off to the sides.

Besides the obvious benefits of LED technology (robustness, longevity, power savings, ease of application), the single best characteristic that I noted while driving was that two of the "flashlights" seemed to be aimed directly at the lines on the road --- this is fantastic for driving in poor weather and obviates the need for foglights.

I can see them working for a city driver; they were fine in urban driving where streetlights did the lion's share of lighting the road. And they do have bling appeal in spades; people at Sam's Club, Wells Fargo, and in the neighborhood all took long looks at them.

Jerry seems like an open person and Truck-Lite seems to be diligent in their pursuit of refinement. I'd expect them to apply themselves and create a still better product.

I still feel that HIDs will fade from popularity and LEDs will become the standard for headlights. But, for replacement lamps like these, the question remains as to which company will make the best and offer it at an appealing price-point?
1. I agree, the flicker isn't a major issue in my eyes because it's not a highly noticeable event. I'm sure with your Bosch relays it helped though.

2. I actually felt the lights performed a bit better than stock as far as distance, at least in the marked photo test.

3+4. I have a few photos of the spread that actually show a pretty wide beam. While I was a little disappointed in the beam pattern - I've had much worse in other vehicles (my work van for instance lol). I have no issue utilizing these for the long term and hope that Truck-Lite decides to make replacement fogs as well.

As a first redesign, based on some other photos floating around these are MUCH better. I think with some more feedback like we are doing, Truck-Lite can really work on their lens and pattern to make a sharp cutoff. I think they are on the right track, they have a product that doesn't look cheesy in appearance and performs fairly, but not perfect. Such is life when you are an early adoptee though.
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1. I agree, the flicker isn't a major issue in my eyes because it's not a highly noticeable event. I'm sure with your Bosch relays it helped though.
You notice the flicker the closer you are to the lens. Put a white board in front of them and it looks like a strobe; from 25 feet, hardly can be seen.
Using the supplied harness, the lights get 12.6v at most and 4.5v at cycle; using a relayed harness, they get over 14v steady. Significant to a technology that cycles so quickly.
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You notice the flicker the closer you are to the lens. Put a white board in front of them and it looks like a strobe; from 25 feet, hardly can be seen.
Using the supplied harness, the lights get 12.6v at most; using a relayed harness, they get over 14v. Significantly more lumens in an already lumen-starved light.
I certainly plan on using a harness. Any particular one you'd recommend?

I think I can adjust my lights some as well - yours look aligned better than mine. Oncoming drivers would often flash me with stock lights with only my low beams on.
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After gathering the numbers, I took a little spin on some dark twisty roads.
Long story short, I'll be de-installing them tomorrow and putting the Z-Beams back in.
They don't behave like headlights; they behave like a handful of flashlights.


thats how these lights work in these humvees.

I looked at these before getting my Delta Xenon headlights. I'm glad I passed on them. the Deltas were a huge improvement over the stock lights. Everything said here that is missing from the LEDs, the Deltas perform excellent.
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Saw a comment on the TruckLites in another forum and the poster mentioned
" if you remove the light you'll see a 15mm hex. Making the lights "toe out" (best way I can describe it) seems to help the pattern on the road. "
This might alleviate the lack of spread, but wouldn't help the gaps...
Is this really a user adjustment?
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Thanks for going through the trouble of your write up. And thanks to TruckLites for sending the demos!
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Thanks for going through the trouble of your write up. And thanks to TruckLites for sending the demos!
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I certainly plan on using a harness. Any particular one you'd recommend?

I think I can adjust my lights some as well - yours look aligned better than mine. Oncoming drivers would often flash me with stock lights with only my low beams on.
For a harness, Rallylights or Dan Stern can build one; Dan will also send you plugs for a do-it-yourself if you want.
I went with 2.5" drop from dead-center at 25 feet for aiming. They fit in the buckets much differently than the Cibies and were pointing skyward at first.

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Saw a comment on the TruckLites in another forum and the poster mentioned
" if you remove the light you'll see a 15mm hex. Making the lights "toe out" (best way I can describe it) seems to help the pattern on the road. "
This might alleviate the lack of spread, but wouldn't help the gaps...
Is this really a user adjustment?
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That's really a question for Jerry and his engineers. He's not sure how much "company" participation to apply to these threads; I think he should pop in with observations.

My instincts tell me that the "six flashlights" approach needs to be rethought. Maybe better reflectors, fewer flashlights with more lumens each and more spread.
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Thanks for the Review Hill! Ive been planning on installing new headlights and you just made my decision that much easier.
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