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Unread 03-11-2012, 10:04 AM   #241
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the stuff up close is just shadows from the bumper, correct?
Here is one from mine without a stinger bumper

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Unread 03-11-2012, 10:27 AM   #242
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Here is one from mine without a stinger bumper
Thanks.....So all things considered, do the JW's out perform the new trucklites enough to justify the cost??
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Unread 03-11-2012, 10:37 AM   #243
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Thanks.....So all things considered, do the JW's out perform the new trucklites enough to justify the cost??
I've only had the two sets of Truck-Lite's so I can't comment on the JW's. But, these new Truck-Lites are great for me, I never really liked the beam of what I saw from the JW's.
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I've only had the two sets of Truck-Lite's so I can't comment on the JW's. But, these new Truck-Lites are great for me, I never really liked the beam of what I saw from the JW's.
Is there any comparison from the new trucklites to the old? Or are the new just that much better?

Personally, i was never a fan of the "look" of the original trucklites.
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Is there any comparison from the new trucklites to the old? Or are the new just that much better?

Personally, i was never a fan of the "look" of the original trucklites.
Old then new.
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Unread 03-11-2012, 11:24 AM   #246
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TJ owner... have learned a lot from this thread. I've been interested in the Truck-lites for some time, but recently read comments by Daniel Stern that were rather dismissive of LED headlamps writing that they barely meet the minimum brightness mandated by law.

This seems totally at odds with the measurements taken here that have the new Trucklites (at their brightest) putting out more light than high-end halogens. What am I missing?
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Unread 03-11-2012, 11:28 AM   #247
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TJ owner... have learned a lot from this thread. I've been interested in the Truck-lites for some time, but recently read comments by Daniel Stern that were rather dismissive of LED headlamps writing that they barely meet the minimum brightness mandated by law.

This seems totally at odds with the measurements taken here that have the new Trucklites (at their brightest) putting out more light than high-end halogens. What am I missing?
Without ever dealing with DS, is this dismissive nature genuine or just protecting HIS products?

I'm sure he can't be happy with LED in the sense people won't buy cibies, harnesses and bulbs.
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Unread 03-12-2012, 02:44 PM   #248
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TJ owner... have learned a lot from this thread. I've been interested in the Truck-lites for some time, but recently read comments by Daniel Stern that were rather dismissive of LED headlamps writing that they barely meet the minimum brightness mandated by law.

This seems totally at odds with the measurements taken here that have the new Trucklites (at their brightest) putting out more light than high-end halogens. What am I missing?
I don't think the LED's have the reflector "balance" (for lack of a better term) that you can get with lenses made for halogen, the pattern just isn't as good or as far reaching. I have talked with the guys (Will) at rallylights about this and they installed some LED's for a customer, did some "on the street" testing and the distance of the LED's just did not compare to H4's.

I was going to post a link to candlepowerforums.com, but the site is under repair from a "hack attack". If you care to go over, go to the automotive section and ask your question to Schweinwerfermann...total lighting guru..there may already be a thread there on LED's, that all they talk about on that forum....lighting.
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Unread 03-12-2012, 05:01 PM   #249
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I don't think the LED's have the reflector "balance" (for lack of a better term) that you can get with lenses made for halogen, the pattern just isn't as good or as far reaching. I have talked with the guys (Will) at rallylights about this and they installed some LED's for a customer, did some "on the street" testing and the distance of the LED's just did not compare to H4's.

I was going to post a link to candlepowerforums.com, but the site is under repair from a "hack attack". If you care to go over, go to the automotive section and ask your question to Schweinwerfermann...total lighting guru..there may already be a thread there on LED's, that all they talk about on that forum....lighting.
Thanks... I had tried to go to candlepowerforum too and had problems but it seems to be back up now.

I guess I can take my time researching - don't have to make a decision soon and learning about something new is part of the fun.
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Without ever dealing with DS, is this dismissive nature genuine or just protecting HIS products?

I'm sure he can't be happy with LED in the sense people won't buy cibies, harnesses and bulbs.
I think DS has a lot of good info on his site. However, I would question how upto date it is. Additionally, I'm not sure how much he actually makes off what he sells. The Cibies can be had elsewhere for the same price ($74 each), and the harness is something he sources from Rallylights. There obviously has to be some profit there, but these are not his products he's selling. He's simply selling what he (and the general consensus) considers to be the best lights available.

While I'm not a fan of LEDs (in any capacity really), I will acknowledge that the JWs seem to be very decent lights. They likely won't reach as far as H4s (LED doesn't seem to be quite there yet - even as AUX lighting when it comes to projection down the highway), and the cost vs results is still quite high (although it's been coming down lately). However they are effective and have that cool factor that other lights don't have.
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TJ owner... have learned a lot from this thread. I've been interested in the Truck-lites for some time, but recently read comments by Daniel Stern that were rather dismissive of LED headlamps writing that they barely meet the minimum brightness mandated by law.

This seems totally at odds with the measurements taken here that have the new Trucklites (at their brightest) putting out more light than high-end halogens. What am I missing?

From what I've read, a standard bulb (such as an H4) uses one light source, a focused reflector(reflectors) and a lens combination. LEDs, on the other hand - use an array of smaller lights with prisms, multiple reflectors and a shared lens/diffuser. While LEDs can be very bright up close (even blinding), they don't seem to project/focus the same amount light out as far as a single, focused halogen/xenon bulb will. If you take time to compare the numbers and light patterns of LEDs, halogens and xenon bulbs on the websites - LEDs typically put out massive light up close at less than 35 feet (usually way more than standard light types) - but usually after 35 feet the light strength drops by four-to-eight times!!! Depending on the LED type - they usually drop around 20 times beyond 100-150 feet - really only making most LEDs useful for less than ~100 to 150 feet (without getting some kind of massive array/massively expensive type). That being said, LEDs have certainly come a long way to being approved for use as headlamps, they're extremely low-power and I'm excited to see what LED companies bring out in the future.

Besides, it's not really that hard to get a lamp that improves the performance of a stock wrangler setup! For myself, I'd prefer the rallylights/hella combo for the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade, but that's just my opinion.

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Unread 03-13-2012, 08:08 AM   #252
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I could not live with those dark cross artifacts. Too distracting.
Those are from a prerunner bar; you don't even see them from the driver's seat.

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the stuff up close is just shadows from the bumper, correct?
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Thanks.....So all things considered, do the JW's out perform the new trucklites enough to justify the cost??
The new Trucklites put more light in more places than the JW Speakers and do it for less money. They're easier to install too.
The Speakers have glass lenses which is good and bad...


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Is there any comparison from the new trucklites to the old? Or are the new just that much better?

Personally, i was never a fan of the "look" of the original trucklites.
The new ones are so much better that the old ones shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph.
Like a Chevette vs a Corvette. Both Vettes, right?
Nah....


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TJ owner... have learned a lot from this thread. I've been interested in the Truck-lites for some time, but recently read comments by Daniel Stern that were rather dismissive of LED headlamps writing that they barely meet the minimum brightness mandated by law.

This seems totally at odds with the measurements taken here that have the new Trucklites (at their brightest) putting out more light than high-end halogens. What am I missing?
Well, until the Speaker headlights, most LED lights were horrible. Speaker changed that.
Then Trucklite went back to the drawing board. They listened to us and gave us what we asked for.
There's room for improvement, no mistake. But it's a big leap forward.


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I don't think the LED's have the reflector "balance" (for lack of a better term) that you can get with lenses made for halogen, the pattern just isn't as good or as far reaching. I have talked with the guys (Will) at rallylights about this and they installed some LED's for a customer, did some "on the street" testing and the distance of the LED's just did not compare to H4's.
The new Trucklites are parabola-based; Rallylights hasn't seen them yet.
They should start selling them. They blow away the Hella H4s and are on a par with Cibie for our use.


Look at what I posted in my review. The Trucklite LEDs were only 1 LUX lower than the Hellas at 125 yards ---- and the Hellas were (by far) the winners in that category previously. The Trucklites also put out the best overall spread of light.
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Alright....so should I remove my Hella's and replace w/ Trucklites? JW's were too expensive for my budget but the trucklites look like a very decent replacement now. Keep in mind, I am on the road at night A LOT and replace H4 lamps every 2-3 months. (Even though I use some decent Osram's from Candlepower).
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Alright....so should I remove my Hella's and replace w/ Trucklites? JW's were too expensive for my budget but the trucklites look like a very decent replacement now. Keep in mind, I am on the road at night A LOT and replace H4 lamps every 2-3 months. (Even though I use some decent Osram's from Candlepower).
I would!

I really (REALLY!) like these new Truck-Lites.

I'm also driving on dark windy roads daily and I'm finding myself really comfortable with the output. I can spot Deer pretty easy, where with the previous generation spread was mainly forward and limited to two hot spots.

These are the best lights I've had since the factory HID on the SRT8 Grand Cherokee I used to have.

I also know, as Bill mentioned - that TL listens to our feedback and what we've got now is a direct result of that.
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