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post #196 of 783 Old 09-09-2011, 07:17 PM
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I just left a phone message with the design engineer at JW Speaker and asked him to give me a call back.
glad I'm not an engineer (yet) I'd be scared to death of a call from you!


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glad I'm not an engineer (yet) I'd be scared to death of a call from you!
John's a great guy and the engineers at JW Speaker are honest and up to task. When we talk about PWM and I make a suggestion, they know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm the one that has to come up to their speed; they slow down for me.
I'm an electronics specialist in switches and other gear; they are automotive lighting professionals.

That said, they have a product, a product that they sell to make a profit. Whenever profit is involved, so is marketing. And marketing isn't always related to pure truth...

Despite the robustness of this product, if it were my Jeep, I'd want to get rid of any flicker. I'd never be comfortable with $800+ worth of lights blinking, no matter how fast or imperceptibly it might be.

Safety fast, Bill

Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.- Helen Keller
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John's a great guy and the engineers at JW Speaker are honest and up to task. When we talk about PWM and I make a suggestion, they know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm the one that has to come up to their speed; they slow down for me.
I'm an electronics specialist in switches and other gear; they are automotive lighting professionals.

That said, they have a product, a product that they sell to make a profit. Whenever profit is involved, so is marketing. And marketing isn't always related to pure truth...

Despite the robustness of this product, if it were my Jeep, I'd want to get rid of any flicker. I'd never be comfortable with $800+ worth of lights blinking, no matter how fast or imperceptibly it might be.
You are definitely the Guru and so the above being said

1] what would your choice be if it were money were no object?

2] what would your budget solution [best bank for the buck, if not the absolute optimal solution] recommendation be?

To take, what apparently are inadequate stock headlights and make the acceptable....

Thanks,

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post #199 of 783 Old 09-10-2011, 12:42 PM
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I think that Bill sold me the best JK headlights that couldbe had.....

It will take a better effort on the LED's to convince me that they can out perform both cost and pure lighting of the Z-beams....I can buy bulbs for the rest of my life and still be money ahead.

Despite the robustness of this product, if it were my Jeep, I'd want to get rid of any flicker. I'd never be comfortable with $800+ worth of lights blinking, no matter how fast or imperceptibly it might be.

This ^ statement says it all.................

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post #200 of 783 Old 09-11-2011, 07:40 AM
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I installed a set with a simple harness from high country 4x4 and have not seen any flicker, and I'm staring at them closely all the time! After several headlight and bulb upgrades on my 2010 JKU, I am finally happy...I really love the light these LEDs produce. Well worth the money for me. This flicker condition may make sense theoretically, but in practice it does not exist. Perhaps simple wiring resistance compensates for it. Either way, no flicker whatsoever in my installation.
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I installed a set with a simple harness from high country 4x4
Which lights did you install? Glad to hear there's no flicker.
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Which lights did you install? Glad to hear there's no flicker.
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Thanks for the reply. Did you also do the airbag sensor relocation? That's the only thing that is making me nervous about installing these lights.
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Thanks for the reply. Did you also do the airbag sensor relocation? That's the only thing that is making me nervous about installing these lights.
It's not really a relocation, you simply loosen the bolt securing it and tilt it downward about 30degrees to allow more clearance. Nothing to be nervous about.

Edit: Added a couple pics with lights off and on in daylight. If you add these, be prepared for people asking what the heck they are...they do look odd when off.
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post #205 of 783 Old 09-13-2011, 07:29 AM
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It's not really a relocation, you simply loosen the bolt securing it and tilt it downward about 30degrees to allow more clearance. Nothing to be nervous about.
Sweet! I look forward to installing these when I buy my JK next month.

Thanks for the replies!
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post #206 of 783 Old 09-14-2011, 03:56 PM
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Has anyone done the jw speakers on a 2012? I'm in the process now and LOTS of cutting and the sensor position is now fixed and not easily rotated...Help!

On the back side of the headlight bucket, there are two molded in tabs that prevent the sensors from being rotated! In addition to a tab that sticks out on the sensor harness! I see no easy way to rotate these sensors - even a little.

I've cut one side all to hell and got the speaker light to fit without the sensor...Looks like I'm putting the original headlights back in and will try again later...this will require some more thought.

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post #207 of 783 Old 09-14-2011, 06:03 PM
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Has anyone done the jw speakers on a 2012?
Man, didn't realize there were any changes in the lights.

I'm getting a 2012 soon-ish and wanted to put these lights in. Best of luck with the install and keep us posted. Sorry that I can't help, but thanks for being a trailblazer.
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post #208 of 783 Old 09-15-2011, 12:45 PM
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I STAND CORRECTED!

I did finally notice some flicker...it only occurs at very low idle and you can only see it when the lights are projected onto a flat surface like a garage door. So once again, Bill is on top of this. Doesn't bother me though as I have not seen anything at driving rpms.
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post #209 of 783 Old 09-19-2011, 02:23 PM
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LEDs are very tempting, but emitter 'color temp' with associated CRI would be key to me adopting them. I have extensive experience with LED flashlights (and flashlights in general) and know what a difference color can make. Cooler tints create more glare, while warmer colors (don't take this statement to the extreme, of course) tend to allow better color rendition -- which can be key to object identification and real-time decision making. I've actually seen and experienced this with tactical weapon-mounted lights.

More light is not always better.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about any particular product; as I've not seen them in person. I am also not going to say the price is too high. After all, my Marchal's, wiring harness and bulbs were not exactly cheap (especially since I bought Cibie's first). In fact, I believe LEDs are the future of automotive lighting.

I would love to see a set of good LEDs next to a set of Marchals with Osram 70/65 (I know you can get brighter, but they aren't street legal) bulbs. But I would want the lit up scene to have greens and browns and blues in it.

~ "Wherever you go, there you are."
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post #210 of 783 Old 09-19-2011, 06:59 PM
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While you're on the phone with one of their engineers...why not suggest that they put out a unit with a smaller back end on it, so it can be a drop in replacement in a wrangler. The new 2012's are very tight on space, and the airbag sensors are now a potential preventative factor in installing these lights. It sure would be sweet if they offered a drop in solution for the Jeep!
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