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Unread 09-10-2013, 04:49 PM   #1
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First wheeling, first damage, Q about MC game changer vs Game changer light.

I took my Jeep to light wheeling this weekend. Some light rock crawling and when one of the rocks slided below My stock bumper got hit and slightly damaged. I never liked that bumper and was planning to replace it anyways but now I think I need to hurry and finalize my searches and start building.

I've been reading about lift kits and everybody says depending on the quality they will either decrease or at best wont change the on road performance. This is my DD I drive around 50 miles per day and I plan to wheel couple of times per month so I want something that would improve both on and off road or at least my wont hurt current on road performance.

I have been reading about metal cloak game changer and game changer light, almost every review is good. More than that people claim this is the best kit money can buy . Do any of u use these kits? Can you give me some feedback

Is it possible for a kit to improve both on and off road performance ? If yes which one is better game changer with 6 pak or lite?
Or is there a better one?
I am not crazy for mpg but would be good to know if they effect it in any ways too?

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Unread 09-10-2013, 07:04 PM   #2
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the full kit is rather expensive. The six pack shocks are most the cost. Many people like the "flex" joints over JJ"s I have read. The kits seem very good.

But the Jeep they show has it all, the shocks. That gives like 12+" inch travel?, with out having to go coil overs and cutting things up. . Nothing compares to it in compact and range of travel. That I have ever seen. But what like 700$+ with the special mounts. EACH.

Mpg goes down but most of that would be if you are running 12.5 wide and how tall. You stay in the 10.5 might stay close to the same size33"s. I can get 18 in our Rubi2d with 3+ lift and 35"s. But that's at 65 with 4:10 gears. No top doors. lots of extra weight though from all the added steal parts.
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Unread 09-10-2013, 07:50 PM   #3
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Look into aev on road and off is improved
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Unread 09-10-2013, 07:52 PM   #4
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If you're looking for a little extra lift and a better ride on road and off, an Old Man Emu 2" lift is a pretty good choice, and cheaper than a kit with new arms.
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the full kit is rather expensive. The six pack shocks are most the cost. Many people like the "flex" joints over JJ"s I have read. The kits seem very good.

But the Jeep they show has it all, the shocks. That gives like 12+" inch travel?, with out having to go coil overs and cutting things up. . Nothing compares to it in compact and range of travel. That I have ever seen. But what like 700$+ with the special mounts. EACH.

Mpg goes down but most of that would be if you are running 12.5 wide and how tall. You stay in the 10.5 might stay close to the same size33"s. I can get 18 in our Rubi2d with 3+ lift and 35"s. But that's at 65 with 4:10 gears. No top doors. lots of extra weight though from all the added steal parts.
18mpg with 35's? I need a 3.6

The Lite version of the MC kit is very good. No way I would shell out that much for the 6paks. The joints are amazing and on a JK I bet the ride is absolutely amazing.
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Unread 09-10-2013, 08:53 PM   #6
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If you're looking for a little extra lift and a better ride on road and off, an Old Man Emu 2" lift is a pretty good choice, and cheaper than a kit with new arms.
I have this one. Check out them out. I bought them because they try to improve both. Also because the design each system to the specific vehicle. You can't just buy a JK system. They dive deeper than that. They have a light system and a heavy system.


Here is a 2 in system rock crawling

How to choose which system
http://www.oldmanemu.com.au/old-man-...sion-selector/
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I took my Jeep to light wheeling this weekend. Some light rock crawling and when one of the rocks slided below My stock bumper got hit and slightly damaged. I never liked that bumper and was planning to replace it anyways but now I think I need to hurry and finalize my searches and start building.

I've been reading about lift kits and everybody says depending on the quality they will either decrease or at best wont change the on road performance. This is my DD I drive around 50 miles per day and I plan to wheel couple of times per month so I want something that would improve both on and off road or at least my wont hurt current on road performance.

I have been reading about metal cloak game changer and game changer light, almost every review is good. More than that people claim this is the best kit money can buy . Do any of u use these kits? Can you give me some feedback

Is it possible for a kit to improve both on and off road performance ? If yes which one is better game changer with 6 pak or lite?
Or is there a better one?
I am not crazy for mpg but would be good to know if they effect it in any ways too?

Thanks
Simple answer is yes a good lift can improve on both on and off road performance. 6-pack shocks are expensive. I love mine and get great flex when off-roading. I read everything on every forum I could find before I ordering the Game changer. I could not find a single person who did not love the lift they installed, be it game changer or lite.
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Unread 09-12-2013, 03:42 AM   #8
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Simple answer is yes a good lift can improve on both on and off road performance. 6-pack shocks are expensive. I love mine and get great flex when off-roading. I read everything on every forum I could find before I ordering the Game changer. I could not find a single person who did not love the lift they installed, be it game changer or lite.
I have to admit , I admire your ride. Congrats on great builds

I am just afraid to go as high as 3.5" , I do not want to mess with the balance of the stock that much

Game changer with 6 paks are starting from 3.5" & lite is 2.5" . does it make sense to order 2.5" with 6 paks?
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Thanks! The ride is great I was going to get the 2.5" but also plan to eventually go to 37s so at the last minute I switched to the 3.5" version. I was worried the tires would look too small with the lift and fenders, but I like it. Note that 2.5" is only on a 4dr, on 2dr you'll get 3.5" Also they built it for a fully modded jeep, with armor, bumpers, tire carriers, winch, etc. So on a stock jeep you'll see more lift. I do get full use of all that clearance.
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Unread 09-12-2013, 07:36 PM   #11
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This kit has been talked about time and time again on this forum. Heres what ive gathered since the kit started taking notice 2yrs ago. 1) with the complete kit it is the most flexable 5 link around (4 ctrol arms plus the track bar). Meaning you arent going to see more flex unlessnyou go to a 3 link, and a damn good one. Or go for all glory with a trianglulated 4 link. (Major bucks)
2) the full kit is worth it in the end. Especially with a frequent offroader
3) this kit will improve suspension performance all around. Much like other branks ex: currie, rk, aev, ome, etc ( and there are much more). Its gotten the reviews it does because of the quality.
So keep reading. And if your pockets have the room go for it!
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This kit has been talked about time and time again on this forum. Heres what ive gathered since the kit started taking notice 2yrs ago. 1) with the complete kit it is the most flexable 5 link around (4 ctrol arms plus the track bar). Meaning you arent going to see more flex unlessnyou go to a 3 link, and a damn good one. Or go for all glory with a trianglulated 4 link. (Major bucks)
2) the full kit is worth it in the end. Especially with a frequent offroader
3) this kit will improve suspension performance all around. Much like other branks ex: currie, rk, aev, ome, etc ( and there are much more). Its gotten the reviews it does because of the quality.
So keep reading. And if your pockets have the room go for it!
I finaly decided to go for MC game changer 6 pak and contacted MC. They had 2 suggestions which made everything complicated again for me. I wanna get your reviews.

especially Filthy Beast's since I know you have been using the system for a while now.

1- Because I live in Turkey they suggested Old MAn Emu instead of 6pak

exact words were " I would recommend the
> Gamechanger OME edition. It is the kit that we normally use for
> international orders because there is not a good way to take care of any
> issues that could happen with the 6pak shocks. The performance both on
> and off road will be the same as far as what you will feel. We use the
> OME shocks because they have almost the same valving that we use in our
> 6pak."

so Am I likely to have a problem with the 6 pak shocks? are they hard to take are of? here we have plaes who distrubute and install and take are of ARB - AEV - Sky jakcer products . Will they have a hard time to deal with MC 6 pak?

another issue is if OME is almost the same as 6 pak than what is the major advantage of 6 pak?

Another issue is My ride is Rubicon 2.8 CRD ( diesel) which is not available on US market but I have seen somewhere that I may need a AEV DPF tube as well. ( I do no even know what a dpf tube is ) Should I follow up on this?

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I finaly decided to go for MC game changer 6 pak and contacted MC. They had 2 suggestions which made everything complicated again for me. I wanna get your reviews.

especially Filthy Beast's since I know you have been using the system for a while now.

1- Because I live in Turkey they suggested Old MAn Emu instead of 6pak

exact words were " I would recommend the
> Gamechanger OME edition. It is the kit that we normally use for
> international orders because there is not a good way to take care of any
> issues that could happen with the 6pak shocks. The performance both on
> and off road will be the same as far as what you will feel. We use the
> OME shocks because they have almost the same valving that we use in our
> 6pak."

so Am I likely to have a problem with the 6 pak shocks? are they hard to take are of? here we have plaes who distrubute and install and take are of ARB - AEV - Sky jakcer products . Will they have a hard time to deal with MC 6 pak?

another issue is if OME is almost the same as 6 pak than what is the major advantage of 6 pak?

Another issue is My ride is Rubicon 2.8 CRD ( diesel) which is not available on US market but I have seen somewhere that I may need a AEV DPF tube as well. ( I do no even know what a dpf tube is ) Should I follow up on this?

Thnx
First off your dpf is a diesel particulate filter. So the tube most likely takes out a loop or exhaust pipe that gets in the way of the suspension leading to the dpf. Or the dpf itself may be in the way.

The MC and the ome will ride the same due to their valving (same stiffness/softness) The advantage of the MC is that they have increased travel due to the common body two rod design. The MC shock basically acts as two shocks facing the opposite way to achieve more travel.
What mc doesn't want is something to go wrong with your shock and then you be 1) out of a shock for a while while they fix it and/or 2) you having to take it to another shop that may not be as experienced as mc and them messing up the 6pak
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This kit has been talked about time and time again on this forum. Heres what ive gathered since the kit started taking notice 2yrs ago. 1) with the complete kit it is the most flexable 5 link around (4 ctrol arms plus the track bar). Meaning you arent going to see more flex unlessnyou go to a 3 link, and a damn good one. Or go for all glory with a trianglulated 4 link. (Major bucks)
2) the full kit is worth it in the end. Especially with a frequent offroader
3) this kit will improve suspension performance all around. Much like other branks ex: currie, rk, aev, ome, etc ( and there are much more). Its gotten the reviews it does because of the quality.
So keep reading. And if your pockets have the room go for it!
This may be true for a kit, but not for ANY 5 link builiding your own can be better. There joints are nice, but you never use all the degrees of flex there joints use, wich isnt really a bad thing. The shocks are 14" travel, but honestly the shocks are a weird set up. Theres times when youll get more WHEEL travel with a good build on your own than this kit will provide even with a 12" travel standard shock...
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This may be true for a kit, but not for ANY 5 link builiding your own can be better. There joints are nice, but you never use all the degrees of flex there joints use, wich isnt really a bad thing. The shocks are 14" travel, but honestly the shocks are a weird set up. Theres times when youll get more WHEEL travel with a good build on your own than this kit will provide even with a 12" travel standard shock...
Very true. Most don't use the full up travel of the MC lift. But with some relocation brackets for the shocks and some minor modifications..... personally I'd go three link if I really wanted to. But like stated the stock geometry will support 12 inches of travel easy
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