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Unread 07-07-2010, 05:39 AM   #46
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A gain after 4K rpm. How often do you run your JK in that range?
All the time on the highway. That's where I needed more power. I have plenty of power in 4 low on the trail. Vail Pass is a bear to get up at 10,662 ft. And the gain is slightly before 2300 RPM. http://www.mbrp.com/products/dyno/S5514.pdf

Another benefit of that particular setup is that the exhaust is relocated out of the way. No more smashed tail pipes. It's a win win.

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Unread 07-07-2010, 06:39 AM   #47
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wow you just don't get it do you? I haven't "rip on" anyone and I certainly haven't "demanded" anything. My "side of the argument" is very simple and requires no "evidence" because I am not making any claims. You so called performance parts guys are making the claims.
Every single time someone has come in here and posted a bennifit you have come back with comments about how that isn't true or isn't practicle. I say "demanded" because everytime someone makes a claim you say "that is what I want to see proof of".
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Unread 07-07-2010, 07:02 AM   #48
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All the time on the highway. That's where I needed more power. I have plenty of power in 4 low on the trail. Vail Pass is a bear to get up at 10,662 ft. And the gain is slightly before 2300 RPM. http://www.mbrp.com/products/dyno/S5514.pdf

Another benefit of that particular setup is that the exhaust is relocated out of the way. No more smashed tail pipes. It's a win win.

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Thank you, that is the chart I'm looking for. So you cruise on the highway at +4K RPM? The gain before 2300 RPM is extremely slight. The sound and relocation factor would seem more important to me at this point.
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Unread 07-07-2010, 07:03 AM   #49
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because everytime someone makes a claim you say "that is what I want to see proof of".

What is so difficult about that for you to understand?
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Unread 07-07-2010, 07:29 AM   #50
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Thank you, that is the chart I'm looking for. So you cruise on the highway at +4K RPM? The gain before 2300 RPM is extremely slight. The sound and relocation factor would seem more important to me at this point.
For the second time, I do drive above 4K. At altitude and with a 5% grade uphill I need all the gain I can get. Perhaps you havent driven a vehicle 2 miles above sea level? There is less air. additionally, the exhast will be an excellent compliment to a supercharger.

And don't forget, it's stainless. It wont rust out.

You have an impression that we need to sell you on an exhaust. I think all of the bebefits have been pointed out and I am glad to point you in the right direction. However, if you don't see the benefits, just let it go and don't purchase one for yourself.
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Unread 07-07-2010, 08:04 AM   #51
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Perhaps you havent driven a vehicle 2 miles above sea level?
Definitely not, hence my different frame of reference.
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Unread 07-07-2010, 08:54 AM   #52
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What is so difficult about that for you to understand?
The difficult thing for me to understand is why you contradict yourself! You say you don't need proof and then turn around and ask for it!
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Unread 07-07-2010, 11:43 AM   #53
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The difficult thing for me to understand is why you contradict yourself! You say you don't need proof and then turn around and ask for it!
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What we have here is failure to communicate.
Where did I say that?
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Unread 07-07-2010, 12:00 PM   #54
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Is there proof that there is?
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I agree 100%. Where can we view the test results as well as all the supporting data?
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If MagnoFlow say it works it must! How about an independent test? As I stated earlier, you are just blindly listening to marketing. If what you say is true, show me independent testing and data.

Don't take this personally, I'm not attacking you, just your belief that marketing is fact. Most statistical data can be used to tell whatever story you want.

Let's take a look at your chart. How often is anyone running over 4k RPM in a JK for a prolonged period? I'd like to see the data below 4K where most of us live in the real world. From that chart, it's flat at best and possibly worse.
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That's the information I would love to see! The chart that was posted only showed gains above 4k for the 3.8. Sound and clearance are both valid reasons for changing. The stock 3.8 is definitely too quiet.
Sounds like you are asking for proof to me!?!?!?
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Unread 07-07-2010, 12:42 PM   #55
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Sounds like you are asking for proof to me!?!?!?
You did well, but that was the easy part. Now show me the part where I said that I don't need to see proof as you stated above.
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Unread 07-07-2010, 01:02 PM   #56
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wow you just don't get it do you? I haven't "rip on" anyone and I certainly haven't "demanded" anything. My "side of the argument" is very simple and requires no "evidence" because I am not making any claims. You so called performance parts guys are making the claims.
Well I guess I just mistook what you meant here. For a second I was thinking you were being only 95% duchebag, but I guess I was wrong and it is really 100%.
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Unread 07-07-2010, 01:16 PM   #57
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Well I guess I just mistook what you meant here. For a second I was thinking you were being only 95% duchebag, but I guess I was wrong and it is really 100%.
Yes, you were mistaken and for the record, I'm an a$$hole, not a d-bag.
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Unread 07-07-2010, 01:31 PM   #58
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I'm an a$$hole, not a d-bag.
Hey, me too! My wife can give a referance if need be!
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Unread 07-07-2010, 06:45 PM   #60
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Whew... I started a war!

Well, I ended up getting the MBRP Installer Series. I ordered it yesterday, standard shipping, from Quadratec, and came home from work to see it sitting on my front porch. That surprised me big time. If all goes well, it will be on tomorrow after work.

Thanks for the discussion, I learned a lot and got to see differing opinions, which is always helpful.
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