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Unread 09-22-2013, 02:37 PM   #46
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Lol good analogy, I like that.

So that just leaves the above poster and others with brand new stock vehicles that have very few miles and DW.

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Unread 09-22-2013, 06:25 PM   #47
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Alignment and tire balance can cause death wobble even if all the suspension and steering components are new and tight.
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Alignment and tire balance can cause death wobble even if all the suspension and steering components are new and tight.
So I would think for the most part it could also prevent it. The OP had a wallowed out TB but never really noticed it. He also strikes me as the kind of jeeper that keeps his tires rotated and balanced.
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So I would think for the most part it could also prevent it.


It won't prevent it if another component is the cause...
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Unread 09-24-2013, 03:17 PM   #51
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It won't prevent it if another component is the cause...
OK then what would you guys recommend? All the various threads on this point to at least a dozen or so different items that could contribute to DW. Should I at least do the bolt upgrade and throw on a double steering damper kit and call it a day? The Dealer says everything up front looks good and is within spec yet DW goes on. If this problem is so hard to diagnose and repair perhaps I should eliminate the symptom with a super beefy damper setup and not risk DEATH! Does anyone know of a good double damper kit for stock suspension (no lift)?
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OK then what would you guys recommend? All the various threads on this point to at least a dozen or so different items that could contribute to DW. Should I at least do the bolt upgrade and throw on a double steering damper kit and call it a day? The Dealer says everything up front looks good and is within spec yet DW goes on. If this problem is so hard to diagnose and repair perhaps I should eliminate the symptom with a super beefy damper setup and not risk DEATH! Does anyone know of a good double damper kit for stock suspension (no lift)?
I would put your money elsewhere. If they are suggesting a double dampener to fix your death wobble , that is the wrong approach. A bolt kit would be a cheap and wise investment even if it weren't the immediate root cause. Some have found the stock ball joints are toast and remedied their dw. Not to say it is , but it's worth a shot.
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I would put your money elsewhere. If they are suggesting a double dampener to fix your death wobble , that is the wrong approach. A bolt kit would be a cheap and wise investment even if it weren't the immediate root cause. Some have found the stock ball joints are toast and remedied their dw. Not to say it is , but it's worth a shot.
I guess my confusion is where to put my money. With the Dealer checking and verifying the proper condition of everything in the front end (including ball joints and everything else on the DW culprit list) Im grasping for a remedy (as we all are). I do not want DW to happen again. The last time I was on the Eway in the middle lane with an 18 wheeler close behind me. As I passed over some small bumps in the pavement the DW hit. I stomped on the brakes trying to gain control and very nearly ended up as the truckers new hood ornament. Luckily he missed me and then very effectively communicated his anger with a few hand gestures. Maybe a little misguided but I would gladly pay a couple hundred bucks to mask the cause of DW (whatever it may end up being) with a super heavy duty steering stabilizer setup. The Dealer did not suggest it. I'll subscribe and see how this all shakes out. Thanks to all.
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OK then what would you guys recommend? All the various threads on this point to at least a dozen or so different items that could contribute to DW. Should I at least do the bolt upgrade and throw on a double steering damper kit and call it a day? The Dealer says everything up front looks good and is within spec yet DW goes on. If this problem is so hard to diagnose and repair perhaps I should eliminate the symptom with a super beefy damper setup and not risk DEATH! Does anyone know of a good double damper kit for stock suspension (no lift)?
Steering dampers just mask the problem and are certainly not a solution. Dealers like to offer the SS swap as it is an easy temporary fix for them.


Here is a long shot if you have time. what if you grab a friend and a measuring tape and measure crossways corner to corner and see if the front diff is sitting square in the frame. Pick a spot on the driver side front diff say at the "C" and spot on the frame at the rear passenger side. These spots must replicatable on the other side. Take a measurement. Do the same from passenger side front to drivers rear and compare. It should be square both numbers equal, if not the front diff is cocked in frame, that could be a part of the problem.
Have you had a front end alignment done and do you have all the spec sheets. Interested to see if maybe the caster is different degrees between left and right side.
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I totally understand how you feel. That's not a pleasant feeling never knowing when it will occur. The biggest problem with masking the issue is, is that it didn't solve the problem and eventually it will reoccur with a vengeance and overcome the dampers and usually destroying it. If you get DW with tight parts can you imagine what it's going to be like when things start to wear.

So although I have never had DW with our Jeeps we have had our share of worn out parts to the point where by everyone else's determination we should have had major DW.
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This was actually my initial point/question. Why does it happen to some and not others? What is that underlying issue that will allow a worn Trackbar bolt/hole or bad tire trigger DW?
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This was actually my initial point/question. Why does it happen to some and not others? What is that underlying issue that will allow a worn Trackbar bolt/hole or bad tire trigger DW?
Yes this is an interesting question. I'll get the data and measurements asap and get back in here.
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This was actually my initial point/question. Why does it happen to some and not others? What is that underlying issue that will allow a worn Trackbar bolt/hole or bad tire trigger DW?


You have to find it every time. It's not just one answer.
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Here is a long shot if you have time. what if you grab a friend and a measuring tape and measure crossways corner to corner and see if the front diff is sitting square in the frame. Pick a spot on the driver side front diff say at the "C" and spot on the frame at the rear passenger side. These spots must replicatable on the other side. Take a measurement. Do the same from passenger side front to drivers rear and compare. It should be square both numbers equal, if not the front diff is cocked in frame, that could be a part of the problem..
I like where you're going with that. I think I will get up under mine and do some measurements and see if I can find #'s for stock too.
You could get real serious with diff measurements and relate them to DW I think.
Even clockface angles, and pitch.
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Steering dampers just mask the problem and are certainly not a solution. Dealers like to offer the SS swap as it is an easy temporary fix for them. Here is a long shot if you have time. what if you grab a friend and a measuring tape and measure crossways corner to corner and see if the front diff is sitting square in the frame. Pick a spot on the driver side front diff say at the "C" and spot on the frame at the rear passenger side. These spots must replicatable on the other side. Take a measurement. Do the same from passenger side front to drivers rear and compare. It should be square both numbers equal, if not the front diff is cocked in frame, that could be a part of the problem. Have you had a front end alignment done and do you have all the spec sheets. Interested to see if maybe the caster is different degrees between left and right side.
I took the measurements on the axle and the measurements are the exact same on both sides. So the front axle is square.
The report on my camber states that both sides are at -0.7 which is a 1/2 degree off. As I recall now the dealer wanted $800 to correct it. I didn't think a half of a degree was worth that amount unless they could guarantee it would stop DW which they couldn't of course. In fact they acted like they never heard of such a thing before!
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