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Unread 09-30-2013, 03:48 PM   #16
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Sounds from your build and post that you don't wheel much on rough trails. The true trac is the answer in your situation. A high lift jack can get you out of a lot of sticky situations too.

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Unread 09-30-2013, 04:05 PM   #17
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Sounds from your build and post that you don't wheel much on rough trails. The true trac is the answer in your situation. A high lift jack can get you out of a lot of sticky situations too.

I agree. It doesn't really sound like there will be a huge demand for a winch. Going wheeling with a buddy and carrying some self recovery tools can all but eliminate the need for a winch.

The TrueTrac will be beneficial on the street, trail, and not just if you get stuck.

Buy a winch before you start wheeling by yourself or hitting harder trails. Until then, enjoy having the added traction of the TrueTrac.
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Unread 09-30-2013, 04:17 PM   #18
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You already have a true-trak in the rear, I very occasionally also need my front locker and when I do 40% of those times end in winching. but only you know what kind of wheeling you do and if the extra traction would lead to the need for winching.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 08:53 PM   #19
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I use my lockers on the trails more often than I use my winch. I've only been winched out once, when I didn't have a winch. My winch has been used numerous times to pull others up trails, but never had to use it on myself, yet.

Key thing to off-roading...Don't go alone!

I think the LSD would be a greater benefit to your type of driving. It could be handy on snow-covered roads, in addition to a slick trail.

The winch...save your $$$ for later, when you get into more difficult trails.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 08:59 PM   #20
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I've got an '05 Rubi with full lockers. Many times I think about using the winch when stuck but the lockers have saved me everytime. Lockers first...... then when everything else is done add a wich.
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Unread 10-02-2013, 05:38 AM   #21
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You're going to get recommendations in either direction! Choose one, and drive accordingly! (I'd go with lockers before a winch - then choose a buddy with a winch to go with! )
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Unread 10-02-2013, 09:32 AM   #22
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I need a bit of help in the "word definition department", if some one would.

I know what limited slip/ true track/ posi-track in the rear is.

I know what a front locker does.

Additional traction coming from the front end: is a limited slip/true track in front the same as a "bread basket" type device? I guess what I'm wondering is, Is there a device that will act like a limited slip rear end, but doesn't do the ratchet/clicking nonsense when going around sharp turns?
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Unread 10-02-2013, 09:44 AM   #23
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The clicking you are referring to comes from a lunch box locker (Aussie, lock Right,).

Limited slip carriers do not ratchet or click. The stock track lock is a Clutch operated limited slip. The Detroit True Track is a gear operated limited slip.

Limited slip's are NOT lockers, they are limited slips.
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Unread 10-02-2013, 12:54 PM   #24
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So you can put a Limited Slip in the front..... Surely it's not the same parts as in the stock Jeep rear limited slip, are they?

The Detroit True Track, doesn't do the ratchet thing, correct?

What's the disadvantage to a limited slip front end, other than cost?

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Unread 10-02-2013, 01:36 PM   #25
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So you can put a Limited Slip in the front.....
Yes

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Surely it's not the same parts as in the stock Jeep rear limited slip, are they?
They can be. The carriers are axle model specific, not front or rear specific. You can run a Detroit TrueTrac Limited slip in the front and the rear if you want.


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The Detroit True Track, doesn't do the ratchet thing, correct?
No, The TrueTrac is a limited slip and does not ratchet.

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What's the disadvantage to a limited slip front end, other than cost?
It's not a Locker. But on the other hand, that is also one of the biggest advantages.

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Unread 10-03-2013, 07:59 AM   #26
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One thing to think about and someone correct me if I'm wrong but I know lockers front and rear on snow pack and ice are bad. And I'm assuming LSDs are not much better. You get this really nice turn any direction you want, as long as it's straight experience. And if you don't wheel hard enough to need a winch do you really need a limited slip. Every reply on here has at some point been in a situation that required more than an open diff in the front could provide, requiring either a winch or LSD. Lockers/LSD are great and greatly improve the capabilities of a rig, but with them two things happen: 1 you get a false sense of security and you find your way into more extreme situations, and 2 when you do get stuck you get STUCK and if you don't have means to get yourself out your typically going to need a rig as capable as yours to get to you let alone pull you out.
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One thing to think about and someone correct me if I'm wrong but I know lockers front and rear on snow pack and ice are bad. And I'm assuming LSDs are not much better.

You would assume wrong.

Limited Slips perform more like an open carrier than they do a locker. They just provide some resistance before they allow the "slip".
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Unread 10-03-2013, 04:27 PM   #28
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Lockers/LSD are great and greatly improve the capabilities of a rig, but with them two things can happen: 1 you could get a false sense of security and you find your way into more extreme situations, and 2 when you do get stuck you can get STUCK and if you don't have means to get yourself out your typically going to need a rig as capable as yours to get to you let alone pull you out.
No false sense of security here with my double TT's. They work extremely well on snow/ice and off road.

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Unread 10-03-2013, 04:55 PM   #29
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Just to clarify for those reading who do not reside in the snow belt or regularly drive in those conditions. Tires make the biggest difference, lockers and LSD cannot help much with tires that perform very poorly on snow and ice. With decent tires they can greatly help get you moving which leads to the leading cause of accidents, moving too fast, lockers /LSD don't help you stop!
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Unread 10-03-2013, 04:58 PM   #30
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No false sense of security here with my double TT's. They work extremely well on snow/ice and off road.

A mans just got to know his Jeeps Limitations (!)
Exactly and a lot of people don't know their vehicles limitations. I've seen the "I have lockers/lsd I can go anywhere attitude". And that's all I was trying to say I'm not saying everyone does, but there are definitely some.
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