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Unread 09-15-2009, 05:09 PM   #1
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Daniel Stern Lighting for my JK

Well, I put a crowbar in my wallet and spent the money on a pair of Cibie 7" headlamps, a pair of 75/65 Osram bulbs and a Daniel Stern lighting harness. Total was about $350 (with shipping). Came in two packages - one arrived in 2 days (USPS) and the other arrived in about 6 days (also USPS). Total time to install was about 75 minutes. It's still daylight, so I have not had a chance to test them out and see what kind of improvement they provide (or to adjust/aim them appropriately). In the meantime - here are some comments:

a). Pre-sales tech support was awesome. In-depth and thorough answers to my stupid questions were provided without any hint of...I dunno what the world I want is - but I felt like I got personal and friendly service. A+.

b). Items mailed promptly and order was correct. A+.

c). On the wiring harness - I dunno what EXACTLY I was expecting in terms of the harness. I figured it would be high quality since it cost about $125. I was really tempted to skip this and make it myself - which I could have done a lot cheaper for sure - but it sure was nice to have something ready to use right out of the box. Quality exceeded expectations too. Nice work, and long enough to do the job without being a pain in the *** due to being a few inches short. Overall, A+.

d). The install was not very complicated and took about 75 minutes. I took my time and wasn't in a big hurry. No real big problems with the install either. I did waste about 20 minutes trying to run the wiring for the driver's side light through the front of the Jeep - near the grill. I couldn't get it through some tight spaces though and gave up - and ran the wiring across the firewall and them up the driver's side to the light. After I did this, it occurred to me that is probably what he intended - but the instructions didn't specify. Also, I didn't bother to mount the relays to the firewall - they're just sort of stuffed behind the battery. I will mount them properly in the near future when I am doing some other electrical work in that area.

e). It was a REALLY tight fit getting my Rugged Ridge Euroguards (2007-2008 Jeep Wrangler - Rugged Ridge Headlight Guard) installed on these Cibie units. I did get them on, but I'm not entirely satisfied with the fit. I'm concerned that they may negatively impact the adjustment process too. I guess we'll see - but I may end up taking them back off. Just an FYI.

I guess that's about it. I am looking forward to darkness so I can try them out. I have big expectations for an improvement in my lighting - I hope I am not disappointed.

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Unread 09-15-2009, 05:19 PM   #2
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I bought the exact same kit as you, the same bulbs as well which is what Dan recommended. I am still waiting for them to arrive (I'm in Canada), but am glad to hear you are happy with the quality of the products. I would like to hear what you think of them after you've driven at night.
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Unread 09-15-2009, 07:01 PM   #3
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I've been using the Cibie lamps for years - first on my old '76 F150 and now my TJ. They are nothing short of spectacular and it makes me wish my daily driver (Dodge Stratus) had good old fashioned round lights (or at least rectangular ones) instead of the crappy, underperforming aero lamps so I could upgrade the darn things easily and safely. Also, I agree that Daniel is great to deal with and will work hard to earn your business - he's who outfitted me with my lamps for the TJ.
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Unread 09-16-2009, 01:32 AM   #4
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Initial Impressions
Big difference! With the stock lights, it was absolutely necessary to have the fog lights on with the low beams, in order to see anything at all - and the high beams were completely useless (so I never used them).

With the new lights, the low beams are awesome! No longer necessary to use the fog lights - and in fact - they don't add much new light. The high beams now DO SOMETHING and it is actually possible to see. No longer need to use my PIAA lights as high beams - and in fact - they add very little new light - just more fill off to the sides.

I still need to fine-tune the adjustment on the lamps (which is up/down only, no left/right), but so far, I can see a big difference.
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Unread 09-16-2009, 07:42 AM   #5
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Initial Impressions
Big difference! With the stock lights, it was absolutely necessary to have the fog lights on with the low beams, in order to see anything at all - and the high beams were completely useless (so I never used them).

With the new lights, the low beams are awesome! No longer necessary to use the fog lights - and in fact - they don't add much new light. The high beams now DO SOMETHING and it is actually possible to see. No longer need to use my PIAA lights as high beams - and in fact - they add very little new light - just more fill off to the sides.
A while back I made the same upgrade with the Susquehanna harness and DS's Cibies. And I made the exact same comments!
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Unread 09-16-2009, 11:38 AM   #6
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wow i might be wrong but i think someone may have left some extra soap up there in alaska from the exxon oil spill try and snatch a little for that rig of yours ....jokes aside nice lights
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wow i might be wrong but i think someone may have left some extra soap up there in alaska from the exxon oil spill try and snatch a little for that rig of yours ....jokes aside nice lights
Huh???????
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Unread 09-16-2009, 02:33 PM   #8
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He is saying your Jeep is dirty.
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Unread 09-16-2009, 06:36 PM   #9
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He is saying your Jeep is dirty.
Oh. Well, that's what happens when a vehicle is driven. Not everyone can afford to have a driveway trophy.
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Unread 09-16-2009, 06:45 PM   #10
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Looks great T-dog. Might have to try this one myself!!!
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Unread 09-16-2009, 06:47 PM   #11
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Looks great T-dog. Might have to try this one myself!!!
Thanks (:

I got these installed in time for my upcoming road trip (leave tomorrow afternoon/evening). Going to Denali National Park (finally won the road lottery). I'm sure I'll have a more thorough lighting report by the time I am done with that trip (:
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Unread 09-16-2009, 08:44 PM   #12
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I want to do that same light upgrade... I've heard nothing but GREAT things about it.
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Unread 09-17-2009, 08:50 AM   #13
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I want to do that same light upgrade... I've heard nothing but GREAT things about it.
Nice, thorough write-up...thanks! I'll be interested in your comments after your road trip.

The only detail missing...where did you buy the kit?

Thanks again...

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Unread 09-17-2009, 11:23 AM   #14
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Nice, thorough write-up...thanks! I'll be interested in your comments after your road trip.

The only detail missing...where did you buy the kit?
Sorry. I thought everyone knew (: The topic of this thread is "Daniel Stern Lighting for my JK". I got it from Daniel Stern Lighting (http://www.danielsternlighting.com). (:

I took it for another spin last night and have some additional comments.

a). I think that this is the first time in my life I have driven ANYTHING at night and felt like I had adequate lighting, without using fog lights and/or aux driving lights. It's such a huge, huge difference.

b). My very expensive PIAA driving lights are now basically worthless. With these Cibies installed, the PIAAs make virtually no difference in the lighting, whether I have the high beams or the low beams on. It is only a very, very slight difference with the PIAAs on, and not enough to really make much difference. That's my first impression - I'll have more time to look at this on my road trip, where I will experience some truly dark roads.

I guess that's it. (:
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Unread 09-17-2009, 12:36 PM   #15
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b). My very expensive PIAA driving lights are now basically worthless. (:
I wouldn't say that they are worthless. At least they look cool as heck mounted on the AEV bumper! Very nice setup indeed!!

Oh, thanks for the link to Daniel Stern. I'll go check 'em out!

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