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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:14 AM   #31
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Explain to me how a BB spacer has a spring rate?
it doesnt, but if you add a 2 inch spacer that doesnt compress, and 2 inches of additional bumpstop that doesnt compress. you are back to stock compression right? i dont understand how this is so hard to comprehend for you. im not trying to be ignorant i am having a hard time thinking of a better way to explain it.

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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:17 AM   #32
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well then...
i knew there was a reason i dont hang in the jk forum much.
SAYS THE GUY WITH FLAMES PAINTED ON HIS HOOD

then don't hang out here.
Coming from someone who OWNS a JK that once had a BB with stock shocks, a BB with 2" shocks, and a 3" coil lift. MY claim is that there is a HUGE difference in every category.
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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:24 AM   #33
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it doesnt, but if you add a 2 inch spacer that doesnt compress, and 2 inches of additional bumpstop that doesnt compress. you are back to stock compression right? i dont understand how this is so hard to comprehend for you. im not trying to be ignorant i am having a hard time thinking of a better way to explain it.
he is right on this... My BB (with stock shocks) had zero benefit other than it sat higher. Over a bumpy road, it felt pretty close to stock.

When I went to the BDS shocks, ride improved tremendously and articulation increased because the shocks had more range. However the weak factory springs couldn't hold up the bumpers and winch, so I lost half the spacer height. OME coils gave me back that height plus more, but the bottom end of the flex is STILL limited by my shocks.

So if you asked me ...my #1 knock on a BB is the factory springs being to weak to keep ride height on anything more than stock weight. If I never added the weight, I'd still be on my pucks. So if you're in the lift market and think you want to add anything that will increase weight, a BB will probably disappoint you.
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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:24 AM   #34
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SAYS THE GUY WITH FLAMES PAINTED ON HIS HOOD

then don't hang out here.
Coming from someone who OWNS a JK that once had a BB with stock shocks, a BB with 2" shocks, and a 3" coil lift. MY claim is that there is a HUGE difference in every category.
pics to prove it then, i pm'd deep sky who has our pics on the same rock so we can hopefully get those posted but you telling me does no justice when i have seen it first hand. i understand how a suspension works and it doesnt sound to me like you really do, you just read a bunch of posts on jeep forum and claimed it as your own knowledge which is not the way to do it. i can max out the flex on both tj's with a bb and extended shocks so i dont understand how you can go farther than the max with coils....... explain that one to me?
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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:29 AM   #35
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your right, stock suspension's dont flex.... this is with a 2 inch bb and 31's so all stock flexing here, its the wifes. it wasnt maxed out, maxed out with that bs on the rims folded the fenders up front. that is with 2 inch bump stop extentions as well. im waiting for the rock pics as i said between the 4 door sa jk on 35's and my bb tj on 33's. i definantly made it higher and rick was pretty mad..... stock suspensions do well when with a bb and when they are set up properly you can max them out.



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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:33 AM   #36
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A budget boost is not as good as a lift with new coils and new shocks. You're substituting spacers and extensions for the real deal. jeepinmichguy, if you want to run a BB that's cool with me. I don't want the OP to get wrong information. If he want's the best performance, he needs coils and springs. Nice Jeep, BTW. I like Yellow.
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your right, stock suspension's dont flex.... this is with a 2 inch bb and 31's so all stock flexing here, its the wifes. it wasnt maxed out, maxed out with that bs on the rims folded the fenders up front. that is with 2 inch bump stop extentions as well. im waiting for the rock pics as i said between the 4 door sa jk on 35's and my bb tj on 33's. i definantly made it higher and rick was pretty mad..... stock suspensions do well when with a bb and when they are set up properly you can max them out.

Dude, those are 31's ...a JK on stock suspension with a 2" BB can stuff and stretch that much with 33's ...MAYBE even 35's. Not sure what you're trying to prove here?
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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:41 AM   #38
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A budget boost is not as good as a lift with new coils and new shocks. You're substituting spacers and extensions for the real deal. jeepinmichguy, if you want to run a BB that's cool with me. I don't want the OP to get wrong information. If he want's the best performance, he needs coils and springs. Nice Jeep, BTW. I like Yellow.
its not a "bad" lift when 2 inches or under, if you go any higher use coils and replace all uca's and lca's. your not gaining any off road benifit with a stock suspension and either 2 inch coils or 2 inch spaces. all i am saying is both will max out at the same point. if the op was asking about a 3.5 lift and up i would suggest a full suspesion lift coils and all but he didnt he asked about a 2 inch which a bb will do just as well as a coil.
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Unread 04-30-2010, 08:42 AM   #39
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If you go with springs it the lift will have addressed the rake issue. I have a Warn 9.5ti with a hoop and metal bumper. It was sagging significantly in the front. Post TF lift it was perfect. Thus, another advantage of going with springs.
Almost every BB out there addresses the rake. They usually put 2.5 in the front and 2 in the rear. You get exactly the height they advertise not an extra inch you may not want, or you may not have bought the additional parts for. If I ever upgrade I would probably go to OME, but I don't like how all you get is springs and shocks which is not complete if it nets 3 to 3 1/2" of lift. Thankfully we have this forum so people can get an idea of what a lift will actually net them in height given several other variables. You buy a BB you get the height of the pucks. PERIOD.
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this is a 3" coil lift with 2" longer shocks nearly maxed out. Those are 34's ...if these were 31's, they'd look like donuts.


Same Jeep with just a BB on stock shocks ...not even CLOSE. Not even mentioning there's no weight of doors or back seat.
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Dude, those are 31's ...a JK on stock suspension with a 2" BB can stuff and stretch that much with 33's ...MAYBE even 35's. Not sure what you're trying to prove here?
that the stock suspension flexed with pucks, you just stated above it didint. and btw your really making it sould like you have no clue.
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this is a 3" coil lift with 2" longer shocks nearly maxed out. Those are 34's ...if these were 31's, they'd look like donuts.
here is a bb, 1.5 in bl and 33's.... mines flexing better and you say yours is maxed out??? i just proved my point. mines not maxed yet. btw my rock is bigger......

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If I ever upgrade I would probably go to OME, but I don't like how all you get is springs and shocks which is not complete if it nets 3 to 3 1/2" of lift. .
I was afraid of the exact same thing, but I can vouch 40K VERY hard miles with lots and lots of wheeling later that even with a 2-dr, I've had ZERO drivability or driveline issues. I counted on buying new shafts and CA's ...even track bars and I've yet to find any need for any of those. Everything so far has been a MAJOR improvement and has only yielded benefits. Worth every nickel.
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Same Jeep with just a BB on stock shocks ...not even CLOSE. Not even mentioning there's no weight of doors or back seat.
right there you admit you had improper shocks. what does this pic prove other than the fact you have an improperly set up suspension with the wrong shocks?........
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I don't see what that has to do with anything...

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its not a "bad" lift when 2 inches or under, if you go any higher use coils and replace all uca's and lca's. your not gaining any off road benifit with a stock suspension and either 2 inch coils or 2 inch spaces. all i am saying is both will max out at the same point. if the op was asking about a 3.5 lift and up i would suggest a full suspesion lift coils and all but he didnt he asked about a 2 inch which a bb will do just as well as a coil.
Sticking with the original topic of this thread I think this pretty much sums it up. When I saw michguy's Jeep flex in person it made me seriously wish I would have just went with the BB instead of the 2.5 coil lift on my wife's TJ. I don't have the comparison pics here at work, but I gotta say that seeing the BB work in person made me a serious believer.
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