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Unread 01-06-2006, 09:24 PM   #136
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It's not as bad as it could've been. It's not as good as it should've been.

It doesn't offend me. Some of the features I really like, such as the electronic discos, 32" tires (on the Rubicon only I assume), extra skid plates, a stiffer frame, Dana 44 etc. The fact that they retained the soft top, removable doors, fold down windshield. solid axles are big pluses. It definitely looks like a Wrangler. I like the idea of the removable panels for the hardtop and I don't mind the idea of a 4 door version at all.

The interior looks ok. I'd like to see it in black.

While I won't jump up and down in rage about power windows and doors I do think it's one step toward building a Jeep for the soccer moms. IMO they should be an option, not standard equipment. For me, the less power doo-dads, the better.

I like the idea of the removable fenders but don't like how they look. Don't like the looks of the front bumper either. The front grill doesn't offend me but I'm not loving it.

18" wheels don't belong on a Wrangler!

I'm not liking the idea of the SWB being longer and wider. Why does every vehicle have to grow in size these days? At least the grile is fairly easy on the eyes, unlike the ugly grilles that are on cars and trucks these days.

That muffler on the rear is all set for being being bashed and smashed on the trail. Exhaust skid anyone?

And the V6 instead of the inline 6? Ugh. We knew it was coming but it's a damn shame. A Wrangler without an I-6 is just sad. I think I'd wait for the diesel to come out. In the meantime I'm very glad I bought my '05 TJ when I did.

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Unread 01-06-2006, 09:47 PM   #137
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I have mixed feeling about it but I may like it better when I see it in person. It looks like an ugly cousin of the TJ. I know people thought the TJ was ugly too.

The grill looks like it was slapped together without much thought. I don't like how much they reccessed the headlights, the slope of the grill and the positition of the turn signals. It would look better if the turn signals were centered relative to the headlights. The fenders and bumpers look cheap because they plastic but it is good they are easy to remove. The dash would look better if it was more flat/CJ style. I am glad it still has solid axles, softtop option and 32" tires and the actuated swaybar and even the power windows are a plus. I think I will be picking up an '06 LJ after all.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:29 PM   #138
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Even if I loved it I'd wait at least two years before buying one. I'd never buy a first year redesign. Too many bugs to work out.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:31 PM   #139
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To me, a 1970's model Toyota FJ40 Landcruiser is looking better and better.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:34 PM   #140
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I like that power windows idea.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:36 PM   #141
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Well, so far I am not going to be jealous, that is until I see on ein person and my TJ looks like a dinosaur. LOL
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:36 PM   #142
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Man, you can really see the width of those front fenders in that topview!

What I want to know is why they tooled up the Pacifica's 3.8L V6 (from a transverse FWD application) for the new TJK instead of using the existing 3.7L from the rest of the Jeep line... doesn't make much sense unless the 3.7L is being retired.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:39 PM   #143
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I dunno about you guys but I'm not feeling that 3-piece hardtop or front grille. Also I don't like the new boxy look that it seems to have. however the options available provide much more luxury to it.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:51 PM   #144
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Imo, the TJ's body looks more refined than the TK.
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Unread 01-06-2006, 10:56 PM   #145
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What I want to know is why they tooled up the Pacifica's 3.8L V6 (from a transverse FWD application) for the new TJK instead of using the existing 3.7L from the rest of the Jeep line... doesn't make much sense unless the 3.7L is being retired.
Well, it's not the Pacifica's 3.8L V6, it's a pushrod design they've had since 1991 or so. FWD passenger cars and minivans were using it long before the Pacifica was a glimer in DCX's eye. It, along with it's 3.3L little brother, was originally designed to be used in either a north-south or east-west (aka transverse) orientation. It's perfectly at home in a RWD application

EDIT: the same holds true for every V6 DCX produces... except for the 3.7L. Note the 3.5L V6 and it's 3.2L and 2.7L relatives, found in many FWD/AWD applications as well as the RWD/AWD LX platform (Charger, 300C, etc)

The 2 biggest reasons for using the 3.8L I can see would be...

a) production capacity - my theory is that they have excess production capacity for the 3.8L, and that with the WK, XK, KJ, Dakota, Durango and Ram 1500s using the 3.7L they don't have the capacity to produce almost 100k more per year for the new Wrangler

b) DCX is considering the desires of the market - the 3.8 is considered a torquey motor at low RPMs, certainly more torque than the 3.7 at low engine speeds
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Unread 01-06-2006, 11:19 PM   #146
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I personally think it's hideous
But im a YJ guy, so what the hell am i doing in this section anyway? :x
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Unread 01-06-2006, 11:20 PM   #147
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I personally think it's hideous
But im a YJ guy, so what the hell am i doing in this section anyway? :x
No one can resist the round headlights!
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Unread 01-07-2006, 06:53 AM   #148
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I'm not too crazy about the grill or it being more luxurious...but the possibilities are endless...and what is this i read about a 3.8L V6...is Jeep doing away with the 4.0L???
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Unread 01-07-2006, 07:05 AM   #149
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It will grow on you guys....just give it time. I think the 3-piece hardtop is unique. Now you can run a soft top-like hardtop and no need for both.

Dana 44's, MT's, Detaching sway bar, 4x4... it's still a true jeep so embrace it
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Unread 01-07-2006, 08:19 AM   #150
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It will grow on you guys....just give it time. I think the 3-piece hardtop is unique. Now you can run a soft top-like hardtop and no need for both.

Dana 44's, MT's, Detaching sway bar, 4x4... it's still a true jeep so embrace it
Everybody complained about the YJ because of square headlights... then the TJ because it was coil sprung. Now we can complain about the TK because it's not the I6/ its cushy interior/ect...

Like everybody, I've seen all the spy shots and was very disapointed at first. I decided to hold off judgement until I saw the whole thing. Now that I'm seeing more of what has gone into this Jeep, I can't wait to see one on the trail.

I'm definitely not going to be getting one this year.. but in 1 to 2 years when the aftermarket picks up, I'll be seriously thinking about it.
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