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Unread 11-04-2013, 07:30 AM   #1
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AEV Procal and other tuners

I had a conversation with my dealership about their policy on lifts. They don't mind them and it's basically a common sense thing with the warranty. If the a/c quits working, it obviously wasn't the fact I lifted my jeep.

One interesting part of the conversation, however, is that the service advisor specifically said not to touch the computer. They have some way of knowing if you do it yourself. The procal was on my list of purchases, but now not so much. Anyone else come across this? I also wonder what would happen if it was done by a specialty shop I.e. 4 wheel parts or a local shop.

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Unread 11-04-2013, 07:41 AM   #2
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That should be common sense if they understand it isn't a performance tuner. Being that its simply a calibration tool. You aren't changing spark, timing etc with it.
If they don't understand it, being one in and show them if you're really THAT concerned about it.
Now if the computer totally craps out when you plug it in that's another thing.
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Unread 11-04-2013, 07:55 AM   #3
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I just picked up a 2014 JKU last week from a local dealer. My jeep came with a 3" Lift and 35's...it also came with the ProCal. Les Schwab installed the lift for the dealer and included the ProCal in the deal. My dealer said the same, Jeep has to prove that the lift caused the damage and Les Schwab covers the lift warranty.

I had a similar battle with my 2008 GC after the 4" lift, the front diff seized up 500 miles after the lift was installed. Jeep said it was the lift but 4 wheel parts called them and said prove it since they installed it. Turned out Jeep paid for the front diff replacement.
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Unread 11-04-2013, 10:55 PM   #4
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Unless they're volunteering to update the computer every time you mod something, you will want to use the Procal.

Tire change, gear change are two major things the Procal will do. It does have many other useful features. One that I use all the time is the 'center steering' setting. After wheeling, my steering is often off center. The procal will help you fix it.

Besides, if you're really paranoid about the dealer complaining, you can always set your Jeep back to factory.
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Unread 11-05-2013, 10:21 AM   #5
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He didn't offer to do it for free. Said it would be an hour of labor. Lame.
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Unread 11-05-2013, 05:34 PM   #6
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He didn't offer to do it for free. Said it would be an hour of labor. Lame.
See why he doesn't want you to buy a procal now? $$$
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Unread 11-05-2013, 05:45 PM   #7
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See why he doesn't want you to buy a procal now? $$$
Yup, scam!

Out of all the people on the forums, I haven't read one person mention the dealer complaining that a Procal was used. They just try to scare you so you'll pay them an hour of labor every time you make a change.

My dealer tried to talk me out of a 5 tire rotation (because it takes them more time). I told him either rotate all 5 according to the diagram I gave him, or don't rotate the tires and I will pay someone else to do it. Sure enough, they rotated all 5.
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Unread 11-05-2013, 05:45 PM   #8
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The procal is a cheap and invaluable tuner it's simple to use. If you need to take theJeep to the dealer for service just return it to the stock settings and your done. A former Jeep engineer designed the damn thing.
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Unread 11-05-2013, 05:56 PM   #9
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That's why I was curious. As much as you folks talk about them, I was sure I should have come across this by now if it was an issue. Thanks for the input.
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Unread 11-06-2013, 08:57 AM   #10
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Just keep in mind - procal is NOT a tuner. A tuner modifies the engine operating parameters. The procal is a calibrator - modifies tire size speedo etc...

Calling it a tuner and suggesting the use of a tuner WOULD raise questions by the dealer. Most good service writers already know the difference and have no big issue with the ProCal.

One thing you may want to employ in your strategy - is whenever a reflash IS required - unpair the procal before you take the jeep in - then have them set the computers base line to tire size etc to your mods - that way you are not paying for them to recalibrate - its part of the reflash you are already paying for (or having done under service bulletin/warranty)!
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Unread 11-06-2013, 11:58 AM   #11
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Most dealers can only program to a 33' tire anyway.. Not sure if their system allows for gear ratio changes other then stock as well.
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