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post #1 of 9 Old 03-20-2014, 10:08 PM Thread Starter
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89K and some wobble + parts help

First time, long time, great to be here. Got a question for y'all:

I have a 09 Wrangler X full stock front end. It has a wobble/shimmy/shake, just short of the DW since it goes away at around 20mph. took it to dealer, they say i need to replace Ball joints, tie rods (RT in 52060049AE, RT out 52060048ad, LT out 52060053AE, LT in 52060052 AG). I just found out also that the steering damper has been leaking, dealer says i may need a bracket change for the damper depending on the damper and i need a track bar.

so far it seems like everyone speaks highly of the synergy ball joints, but what do y'all recommend for the tie rods, damper and the track bar. Im on a really tight budget, turns out the synergy joints are cheaper than stock.

Thanks for your help!

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post #2 of 9 Old 03-21-2014, 02:40 AM
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tie rod? or tie rod ends? hard for a solid piece of metal like the tierod to be worn out unless its bent or something. same goes for the track bar. are the bushings in the track bar worn? or is your solid metal track bar bent or broke? its always a good idea to upgrade,but if you are on a really tight budget i would replace the tie rod ends and bushings in the track bar, and keep your stock rods/bars. as for the steering dampener....its not required if you have a correct un worn steering setup. the dealership will tell you different.

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Replacing your ball joints with Synergys is probably a good idea @ 89k, however, I'd check out Planman's DW thread and check your front end first. Especially before you go and buy a list of parts that you might be able to "fix" with a torque wrench.
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tie rod? or tie rod ends? hard for a solid piece of metal like the tierod to be worn out unless its bent or something. same goes for the track bar. are the bushings in the track bar worn?
This is part of what i did not understand. is every tie rod end replaceable? even on the factory bar that goes across the entire front end? I'd like to be able to get under and see what rattles around, but im physically unable to at the moment.

i ordered the synergy ball joints, and a skyjacker OEM damper, because im not expecting a perfect set-up, and ive seen the potholes up here eat cars alive.

i'd love to do the work myself, but its just not possible right now with the equipment i have and some temporary physical inabilities.
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If everything has play I would just do a full overhaul. If you only replace one or two things and still have death wobble, you're going to kill the new parts too. At that mileage, everything is suspect including wheel bearings.

One of the best things I did for my jeep was a full synergy setup up front, though it wasnt all at once. I have their ball joints, tie rod, track bar, drag link, and steering shaft/track bar brace, along with their shouldered suspension bolts. After I replaced my front axle and installed new wheel bearings, I drove around a couple of weeks with no stabilizer to make sure there were no issues. Then installed a fox ATS adjustable steering damper to take away any little tire nibble and it drives amazing.

You don't have to go through all that, but really get in there and look for any play. Don't use stock parts. I installed most all of my synergy stuff with only a couple thousand miles on the new jeep and felt a big improvement over stock parts with each one I replaced.
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You don't have to go through all that, but really get in there and look for any play. Don't use stock parts. I installed most all of my synergy stuff with only a couple thousand miles on the new jeep and felt a big improvement over stock parts with each one I replaced.
Any chance that's a placebo? I have 115xxx on my JK, lots of road, off road, and everything is tight. I just doubt you would notice that much if a difference.

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^^^ You are referring to the self-bias effect... when someone buys something and they instantly "feel" an improvement - aka the "throttle body" or "CAI" effect!

While I agree that a tight, stock front end is OK, there is simply no denying that the Synergy (or other aftermarket) steering setup is superior to stock. Watch your stock drag link, tie-rod, and trackbar as you use your power steering - they flex like crazy. Synergy's are made to be 200% stronger than stock. Less flexing, more solid, more reliable. Undoubtedly better performance.
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^^^sorry for the medical jargon. You answered my question but if agree, stock isn't bad so I'll replace it when necessary. I don't doubt that synergy is anything but good quality I just didn't believe his story.

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^^^ I just find that in some cases, these better aftermarket parts are cheaper than stock. Mopar wants $360 for 2 upper/2 lower, got the synergies for 200, and i've heard of people getting them for even less.

Right now, shes a daily driver to my first real job, where i took a cut in take home pay in order to get benefits, so liquid cash is tight until i get my degree and a raise. so the motivation here is to get cheap parts that will last, so my front end will end up looking like a who's who of aftermarket brands.

Mechanically speaking im a real noob. I know my jeep well enough that i can feel and hear what goes wrong, but i just dont know enough about the actual mechanical parts, so bear with me some of these questions might seem stupid: Does anyone have a bead on some good tie rod ends? how do i know which ones screw in, in which direction, some go left, some go right? am i understanding correctly that i can just get 4 end pieces and screw them into rods that are already there and avoid having to buy $200 aftermarket rods or in the case of mopar each one has a different price?

also, what does the button on top that says "crawl this thread" do? that wont archive it or something, will it? being new i want to press buttons, but i cant help being cautious

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